Mister MooCow
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I just received email from "NBC4i promotions" encouraging me to "Tell President Obama YOU Support Arizona's Enforcement Law!"
When did Cabot, Jym, and Mikaela get in bed with Glen and Rush?
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Nearly six in 10 Americans support Arizona's new law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigrants, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted May 6-9.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/12/poll-finds-broad-support-for-arizona-immigration-law/
69% say the Arizona law is either about right or doesn't go far enough:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005957-503544.html
Doesn't seem like support for the law is just a glen / rush thing.
myliftkk
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Nearly six in 10 Americans support Arizona's new law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigrants, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted May 6-9.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/12/poll-finds-broad-support-for-arizona-immigration-law/
69% say the Arizona law is either about right or doesn't go far enough:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005957-503544.html
Doesn't seem like support for the law is just a glen / rush thing.
More like amorphous support for uber-generic poll questions.
Guaranteed to evaporate upon the first instance a supporter gets asked to "show your papers"....
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rus wrote >>
Nearly six in 10 Americans support Arizona's new law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigrants, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted May 6-9.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/12/poll-finds-broad-support-for-arizona-immigration-law/
69% say the Arizona law is either about right or doesn't go far enough:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005957-503544.html
Doesn't seem like support for the law is just a glen / rush thing.More like amorphous support for uber-generic poll questions.
Guaranteed to evaporate upon the first instance a supporter gets asked to "show your papers"....
*shrug*
As it stands now, seems like public support is much broader than just the right wing. Heck, with poll numbers that high I think it qualifies supporting the law in AZ as "normal".
Core_Models
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I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.
myliftkk
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rus wrote >>
myliftkk wrote >>
rus wrote >>
Nearly six in 10 Americans support Arizona's new law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigrants, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted May 6-9.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/12/poll-finds-broad-support-for-arizona-immigration-law/
69% say the Arizona law is either about right or doesn't go far enough:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005957-503544.html
Doesn't seem like support for the law is just a glen / rush thing.More like amorphous support for uber-generic poll questions.
Guaranteed to evaporate upon the first instance a supporter gets asked to "show your papers"....*shrug*
As it stands now, seems like public support is much broader than just the right wing. Heck, with poll numbers that high I think it qualifies supporting the law in AZ as "normal".
Let's parse the right wing though. Libertarians would consider this an affront, while nativists eat this trope up. Of course, few people have ever been asked to produce citizenship papers as a regular course of daily life here. Should that change, my guess is opinions will shift likewise. That most people support generic questions on immigration policy isn't surprising, or news.
More importantly, the illegal papers industry will simply adjust to fit the new law, just as it always has before. There's always been a market for papers to get into this country, and no amount of AZ laws will truly put a stop to that short of going to a national biometric id.
Mister MooCow
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Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.
I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
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Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
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Four hooves good, two feet bad.
Why does that have to be the same law?
rus
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myliftkk wrote >>
rus wrote >>
myliftkk wrote >>
rus wrote >>
Nearly six in 10 Americans support Arizona's new law aimed at cracking down on illegal immigrants, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted May 6-9.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/12/poll-finds-broad-support-for-arizona-immigration-law/
69% say the Arizona law is either about right or doesn't go far enough:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20005957-503544.html
Doesn't seem like support for the law is just a glen / rush thing.More like amorphous support for uber-generic poll questions.
Guaranteed to evaporate upon the first instance a supporter gets asked to "show your papers"....*shrug*
As it stands now, seems like public support is much broader than just the right wing. Heck, with poll numbers that high I think it qualifies supporting the law in AZ as "normal".Let's parse the right wing though. Libertarians would consider this an affront, while nativists eat this trope up. Of course, few people have ever been asked to produce citizenship papers as a regular course of daily life here. Should that change, my guess is opinions will shift likewise. That most people support generic questions on immigration policy isn't surprising, or news.
More importantly, the illegal papers industry will simply adjust to fit the new law, just as it always has before. There's always been a market for papers to get into this country, and no amount of AZ laws will truly put a stop to that short of going to a national biometric id.
The two best things to do to kill illegal immigration from Mexico / Central & South America and enhance border security would be restricting funds transfers to Mexico from the US ( cutting off Mexico's number two source of foreign income, behind oil ) and the complete legalization of recreational drugs ( weed, coke, heroin, meth... all of it ).
Identity theft and false ID are problems now; I don't see the AZ law changing that much.
I suppose it's possible that public support would erode should the enforcement be seen negatively, but of course we'll have to wait to see how that plays out.
myliftkk
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Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
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Four hooves good, two feet bad.
You mean like Sizzler?
Immigration raids at two Sizzlers
The raids were part of a yearlong investigation into whether the operators of the two Sizzler locations broke a civil law by knowingly hiring illegal immigrants, Maricopa County Sheriff's Office Lt. Brian Lee said in a statement.Deputies were looking for 23 suspects wanted for identity theft, Lee said. Authorities believe one of the suspects was deported three times and has been hired back by Sizzler each time he returned.
The sheriff's office received a tip from a former Sizzler manager who claimed he had been fired for his refusal to hire employees without the proper documents, Lee said.
"This is another example of a case where desperately needed jobs are being occupied by illegal aliens who have disregarded our laws and our borders," Sheriff Joe Arpaio said in the statement.
I suppose I could quibble about how Sizzler jobs may or may not be desperately needed in this economy...
Mister MooCow
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Core_Models wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
Why does that have to be the same law?
Why does it not have to be?
But, more importantly, when did Cabot, Gym, and Mikaela join "the Minutemen"?
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Core_Models
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lol...last I checked duly appointed law enforcement officers weren't "Minutemen", which is who is authorized to verify citizenship by the Arizona law...and only IF they have already detained the suspect for something else. This isn't authorizing a bunch of cowboys to roam around Phoenix checking the IDs of brown people.
myliftkk
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Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
Why does that have to be the same law?Why does it not have to be?
But, more importantly, when did Cabot, Gym, and Mikaela join "the Minutemen"?
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Fool me once, moo on you!
Doesn't Gym dress up like a Minuteman every year?
rus
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Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
Why does that have to be the same law?Why does it not have to be?
But, more importantly, when did Cabot, Gym, and Mikaela join "the Minutemen"?
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Fool me once, moo on you!
Or, better yet, when did upwards of 60% of Americans begin to think illegal immigration is a problem?
BTW: *puts on sunglasses* Don't get mooed again! YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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rus wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
Why does that have to be the same law?Why does it not have to be?
But, more importantly, when did Cabot, Gym, and Mikaela join "the Minutemen"?
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Fool me once, moo on you!Or, better yet, when did upwards of 60% of Americans begin to think illegal immigration is a problem?
BTW: *puts on sunglasses* Don't get mooed again! YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
When the economy tanked.
rus
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myliftkk wrote >>
rus wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
Why does that have to be the same law?Why does it not have to be?
But, more importantly, when did Cabot, Gym, and Mikaela join "the Minutemen"?
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Fool me once, moo on you!Or, better yet, when did upwards of 60% of Americans begin to think illegal immigration is a problem?
BTW: *puts on sunglasses* Don't get mooed again! YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!When the economy tanked.
By that logic, if you're against this law ( and that's a royal "you" there ) then someone quick hand Obama a note that reads "it's the jobs, stupid!".
Won't stop the unsecured / violence on the border problem though. BLM posting "dangerous area" signs 80 miles north of the border indicates a deeper problem than that.
myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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rus wrote >>
myliftkk wrote >>
rus wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
Mister MooCow wrote >>
Core_Models wrote >>
I'd feel much better about opposition to the law if it wasn't consistently based on false information about it.I'd feel much better about the law if it actually addressed the source of the "problem": employers violating Federal law in a quest for cheaper labor.
Why does that have to be the same law?Why does it not have to be?
But, more importantly, when did Cabot, Gym, and Mikaela join "the Minutemen"?
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Fool me once, moo on you!Or, better yet, when did upwards of 60% of Americans begin to think illegal immigration is a problem?
BTW: *puts on sunglasses* Don't get mooed again! YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!When the economy tanked.
By that logic, if you're against this law ( and that's a royal "you" there ) then someone quick hand Obama a note that reads "it's the jobs, stupid!".
Won't stop the unsecured / violence on the border problem though. BLM posting "dangerous area" signs 80 miles north of the border indicates a deeper problem than that.
Won't disagree on the jobs suggestion.
The unsecured nature is really a separate issue from the violence. I don't think the south of the border violence will stop regardless of U.S. actions (even if we legitimized all illicit substances), though it might recede over time with legalization. It's far more a series of turf wars coupled with a government crackdown fueled by weapons/money from us.
Mister MooCow
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No, but really-- will Cabot, Jym, and Mikaela be asking for my papers before they let me remain a part of their diminishing market share? Or do they think that it's already only los gringos locos that watch the alarmist "Storm Team 4"?
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