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Smoking Ban - News & Updates
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greenhouse1014
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Wasn't Zenos one of the more vocal opponents to the ban?
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Oak
Schumacher Place/German Village area
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Yes they were - however I think that Zeno's would call themselves "patriots" rather than opponents. While I don't disagree with their right to voice their opposition - you just don't not obey the law because you disagree with it. You obey it until you find a way around it, or have deep enough pockets to have the law changed. Zeno's found none of the former but seems to have plenty of the latter so far. I need to tell Zeno's if they want to throw $28,000 away, throw it my way.
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greenhouse1014
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Boyd
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Snarf wrote >>
What a waste of time and resources for the City of Columbus. Shameful.I don't understand the comment? Why is it a waste of time to enforce a law that protects the public health?
If you are saying that the fines need to be higher, then I agree. The city probably spent more money on having Public Health people out there trying to enforce the law than they will get back in fines.
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Boyd
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It was an important enough issue that the voters said they wanted the city to spend time/money doing it. Plus, I know the "Smoking Section" of the health department has been cut down significantly from the way it was opperating immediately after the law went into effect. I think, currently, it is a single person that mostly responds to complaints and only does continued monitoring of proven problem cases ... like these folks.
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rus
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Oak wrote >>
Yes they were - however I think that Zeno's would call themselves "patriots" rather than opponents. While I don't disagree with their right to voice their opposition - you just don't not obey the law because you disagree with it. You obey it until you find a way around it, or have deep enough pockets to have the law changed. Zeno's found none of the former but seems to have plenty of the latter so far. I need to tell Zeno's if they want to throw $28,000 away, throw it my way.Gotta wonder if they don't see that $28K as an investment. As in, if they enforced the smoking ban they'd loose more money than $28K from lost patronage.
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Core_Models
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Oak wrote >>
Yes they were - however I think that Zeno's would call themselves "patriots" rather than opponents.Or they could call themselves property and business owners who wanted to allow people to do something 100% legal on their property. As I've said before, I don't have a problem with the smoking ban as a smoker, but you bet your ass I'd have a problem with it as a business owner being told what I can/can't do.
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StowCbusCleveland
Jackson Township, Canton, OH
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If the goal of the fines is to make some cash then let's keep fining them. If the goal is to make sure people stop allowing the smoking make the fines bigger and then take licenses away when businesses don't follow the law. Why go through all this trouble? (Unless this is how you go about taking licenses away...)
Don't bars lose their liquor licenses over ongoing criminal activity all the time?
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howatzer
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What the hell would a non-smoker be doing in zeno's anyway? I get lung cancer just walking by that place. And where else are washed-up, middle-aged, alimony-paying, gambling-adict smokers going to hang out? Bodega?
To me, enforcing smoking laws at a place like zeno's is a little like the federales' pot busts on California medical marijuana dispensaries. I mean, really. Talk about a victimless crime.Posted 2 years ago # -
michaelcoyote
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howatzer wrote >>
What the hell would a non-smoker be doing in zeno's anyway? I get lung cancer just walking by that place. And where else are washed-up, middle-aged, alimony-paying, gambling-adict smokers going to hang out? Bodega?
To me, enforcing smoking laws at a place like zeno's is a little like the federales' pot busts on California medical marijuana dispensaries. I mean, really. Talk about a victimless crime.I do kind of like this, but at the same time I like the idea of a "stupid tax"..
How about lets just sell them a smoking license for 50-100K a year..
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howatzer
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michaelcoyote wrote >>
howatzer wrote >>
What the hell would a non-smoker be doing in zeno's anyway? I get lung cancer just walking by that place. And where else are washed-up, middle-aged, alimony-paying, gambling-adict smokers going to hang out? Bodega?
To me, enforcing smoking laws at a place like zeno's is a little like the federales' pot busts on California medical marijuana dispensaries. I mean, really. Talk about a victimless crime.I do kind of like this, but at the same time I like the idea of a "stupid tax"..
How about lets just sell them a smoking license for 50-100K a year..CA does something like this with their "smoking clubs" - which are just bars that pay an extra fee and have an enclosed smoking area, usually with pool tables, tv and stuff, to keep it separated from the bar where the staff are (i.e. you have to come out of the enclosed smoking area to order and get your drink). They are really depressing and pathetic (and expensive). A lot of people take their teenagers to them to show them why they shouldn't smoke. So the county gets a license fee and a public-service education program in one. win-win!
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howatzer
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adrock wrote >>
i'm sure a lot of teenagers see a room full of people smoking, drinking, eating wings and pizza, playing pool, watching football on tv and think, "i don't want any part of this!"Yeah, I know it doesnt sound too bad, but you gotta see it - since staff arent allowed in to the smoking enclosure, it gets all nasty. And usually the ventalation sucks, so it's just a big cloudy room. And since no attractive females want to hang out in that, its just a bunch of fat, old losers getting away from their wives. BAsically think of the most patchetic backwoods dive bar you can imagine and put it in a plexiglass enclosure and you've got a Cali smoking club. When you cater to is hard core 2+ pack-a-day smoking addicts, that's all you get.
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groundrules
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what's the over-under on this thread? seven pages?
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Core_Models
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groundrules wrote >>
what's the over-under on this thread? seven pages?lol...times have changed post smoking ban. Although the last thread about Zeno's and the smoking ban had about 5 pages deleted because I posed a music video:
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