Rockmastermike
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Does anyone within the viewing audience have any experience and can recommend a good company who can perform a quality trenchless sewer line repair? I have a severe root issue and am looking for a more permanent solution than continued root-haircuts.
thank you
CDS sherman
East Franklinton
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i have heard of a "liner" that can be injected into the line to create a new pipe. im not sure who in town does this or what the official name of the repair is called. not much help i know.
Rockmastermike
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yeah, as far as I can tell from the googles there are two methods, there's a cure-in-place liner, and there is a method by which a device is pushed through the pipe, and as it does so it expands, breaks up old clay pipe to move it out of the way and pulls a new plastic replacement flexible pipe behind it. I am more interested in the second method.
Trenching in my situation would be far far too destructive.
roy
Downtown
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These guys do trenchless, there are other good resources around here for advice, LMK if you need more info.
http://www.insituform.com/
Rockmastermike
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This work is being completed as I type this and it looks like it is going to turn out to be a really good investment, as well as solving the immediate emergency condition.
I will post my findings here soon!
futureman
Grandview Heights
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Any word? I had a similar problem when I bought my place in grandview. Initially they thought the line was collapsed so we brought out a contractor (he went by Smitty and apparently does all the sewer work in the area) to give an estimate for the work. The quote to excavate it came to around 10k! Granted that high cost was due to having to dig a 10' hole in the middle of the garage and re-concrete the floor.
Turns out it just needed to be cleaned, but it will need to be properly fixed it sometime.
Rockmastermike
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Yes. I'm glad your line came out ok. Cleaning is always the first step, really.
Smitty is likely Forest Smith of the Smith Excavating Company. He was, in fact, the lowest bidder on my job and did a fantastic job.
The line, in my case, was collapsed entirely at the T where it connects to the city line, and in fact the city line was badly broken and we ended up having to repair 5 feet of main sewer line too. This made it a very expensive dig because of the requirements Grandview has to repair their street back to their specifications. much of the expense was street repair, in fact. The permits and inspection fees alone were quite a bit.
Every quote we got was upwards of 10K for the dig/line repair (not including repair of the city main pipe, that's not included in what I have paid).
Rescue rooter was the highest quote for the dig/repair and could not do line re-lining. They also lost 5 feet of their cable snake in the line while they were cleaning it out and trying to "punch through" to the city line.
Roto rooter offered a slightly lower cost for the excavation, but was significantly higher for the line re-lining.
Water works gave a good quote for the dig/repair but said they could not do the lining, but they recommended a company called FlowLine or Roto Rooter to do the lining. I also knew flowline from my previous life working with an engineering firm that handled city sewer lines. The rep from Water works was very professional and admitted that what i needed was just beyond what they were prepared to do and advised me that it really would be a good idea to have the line re-lined if I was going to the trouble of digging up an end of it.
FlowLine had the best quote for the liner and a very good reputation in the industry. The cost to have them reline the entire sewer compared to the cost of digging up the line AGAIN was low enough that it was a reasonable add-on to insure that we will never have to worry about roots or cracked pipes and should never have to excavate again. Also, we have documentation to show that the next owner of the house will simply never have any root problems.
Smith excavating was slightly less for the dig/repair than any other quote. And, Mr. Smith has an excellent relationship with the City and the Inspectors, and with Flowline. Smith Excavating did the dig/repair job and coordinated interactions with the city and Flowline very well, and made the entire process run very smoothly from start to finish. The city inspector was completely satisfied with both the line repair and street repair and had no issues whatsoever with the work, including on the city-owned lines.
Initial cleanout and radio mapping of the line (to pinpoint the digging), Non-destructive Hydroexcavation around the city line, and post excavation cleaning/derooting was sub contracted to Chuck's Sewer and Drain cleaning. They did an impressive surgical operation with a pipe camera and a grabber remotely pulling out Rescue Rooter's trapped cable section.
Once the sewer line was fixed and cleaned and once again connected to the city service, but while the big deep hole was still open, FlowLine, in an impressively fast operation, jet cleaned the line and installed their liner product called Maxliner. Information about this is here: http://maxlinerusa.com/ I saved a few samples. It's tough stuff and is completely seamless end-to-end to keep roots out.
There was a couple of day wait for fresh chemical to be ordered, but since the sewer was already reconnected at that point it didn't bother me too much. The sewer line was taken back out of service for 24 hours to allow the liner to completely cure.
In summary here are my observations:
The first tech Rescue Rooter sent (when i thought i just had roots in the pipe) tried very hard but he wasn't very good. In the end I do not think they offer good value for the price. Losing the pipe snake in the line was pretty uncool.
Chuck's Septic Tank, Sewer & Drain Cleaning Inc is a good company to call if you need your line rooted and cleaned. A bit less cost than others, and good competent people who know how to do their job.
Smith Excavating (Forest Smith) did a very good job at a reasonable price. He also didn't mind me personally overseeing the process and documenting the entire project. They did not cut any corners. Mr. Smith was very meticulous in his attention to detail and is clearly extremely experienced in his field.
Flowline L.L.C. did an excellent job jet cleaning and re-lining the line, including providing before and after lining videos (on DVD) of the line camera runs through the pipes for documentation of the work. I would recommend them to anyone who needs re-lining services.
Analogue Kid
5th by West-Northwest
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So did the project leave you feeling drained?
Rockmastermike
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Very informative thread- I had to deal with a similar issue a few years ago in the short north- unfortunately, my sewer line runs under another property that was built over the line - I did not have to replace the whole line, but it was very close to that. I'll be referencing this thread if it ever comes up again, thank you for sharing your experience ( my quote was 14 k!, rescue rooter)
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