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ricospaz said:
What I meant is that the person says they are guilty and they are? I'm amazed at people who just don't get this.
You have to trust the people ( i.e. government ) who's telling you they are and that they didn't beat the shit out of the guy to make him tell you he did it, or that they didn't just get it wrong.
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ricospaz said:
What I meant is that the person says they are guilty and they are? I'm amazed at people who just don't get this.
Oh, I get what you're saying.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/False-Confessions.php
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bman said:
Liberal here and I think we need to keep capital punishment and like "Geese" said, if we are going to have it on the books then use it. [b]Some fucks just deserve to fry. God, I sound like Snarf! lol
Oh, I agree. Some people just need killing. I don't trust the state to know which are which, however.
Manatee said:
I'd be very upset and sad.
I doubt that. I doubt that quite a lot.
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Dude, get real! I occasionally disagree with you but I doubt very much that you'd ever do anything that would legally call for the death penalty. And even if you did, I still know you, and you're a person.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm a bleeding heart. That extends to the whole human race, not just the people who watch the Daily Show.
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+1 for rus' comments on opening our eyes to the fact that other civilizations have/had values very different than our own.
In Collapse, Jared Diamond writes about civilizations that used infanticide as a means to control population in times of scarce resources. Certainly anathema to prevalent values in most western/monotheistic cultures today, but nonetheless a thoughtprovoking example of where different attitudes on the balance between individual rights and the collective good can lead.
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tdziemia said:
In Collapse, Jared Diamond writes about civilizations that used infanticide as a means to control population in times of scarce resources. Certainly anathema to prevalent values in most western/monotheistic cultures today, but nonetheless a thoughtprovoking example of where different attitudes on the balance between individual rights and the collective good can lead.
As an aside, would early detection of genetic defects resulting in abortion be about the same thing?
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Culture that Diamond cites in Collapse did not have access to abortion (at least not efficacious abortion), hence infanticide, even of healthy babies. It was an agrarian culture that resorted to such means during periods of prolomnged drought, if I remember correctly (i.e., each new mouth decreases the chances of other members of the poulation surviving).
If they had access to technology like in utero genetic screening I would assume that yes, they might do as you say, based on their value system.
Realize these comments may be a bit off topic, but there seems to be a part of this thread about society's right (or not) to take a human life, and just wanted to make the point that the argument about when the taking of another's life is sanctioned is highly dependent on the cultural/societal context, and not absolute.
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Kasich Spares Condemned Inmate Who Says He's 'Too Fat' To Be Executed
Monday December 17, 2012 2:33 PM
COLUMBUS, Ohio - Ohio Gov. John Kasich on Monday spared a condemned inmate who says he's too fat to be humanely executed. Kasich followed a recommendation of mercy by the state parole board, which said it didn't doubt Ronald Post's guilt but said there were too many problems with how he was represented 30 years ago. Post, who weighs 450 pounds, never raised the issue of his size with the board.
READ MORE: http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/12/17/ohio-kasich-spares-post-too-fat-inmate.html
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The defendant here apparently claimed he was just the get-a-way driver. Without looking at the file, I cannot have an intelligent opinion as to this particular individual's guilt or innocence. Too bad there was no way the crime victim could seek a delay of her own murder.
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The 'too fat' thing probably got him noticed (including the absurdity of that plea), and I imagine that helped.
"Post took Vantz's life, devastating the lives of her loved ones in the process," the board said in its 5-3 decision. But it said a majority of its members agreed his sentence should be commuted to life in prison without chance of parole because of omissions, missed opportunities and questionable decisions made by his previous attorneys and because that legal representation didn't meet expectations for a death penalty case.
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