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Kasich: Tolls will fast-track Brent Spence project
8:05 PM, May. 10, 2012 | Comments
Ohio Gov. John Kasich wants the Brent Spence Bridge project to be fast-tracked and said tolls are the way to make that happen. “I don’t see any other way to do it right now,” Kasich said in a meeting with editors and reporters at The Enquirer on Thursday. “We need to get this done.”
READ MORE: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120510/BIZ/305100059&Ref=AR
Analogue Kid
Olentangy West
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I know it won't be popular, but this sounds like a good solution if they want to get this project going in the next decade.
Buster Bluth
Columbus, OH
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Probably the wisest decision.
As a NW Ohio guy, we have to pay to use the turnpike all the time. Cincinnati and Kentucky can deal with a toll road, it won't kill then.
Analogue Kid
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Buster Bluth said:
Probably the wisest decision.As a NW Ohio guy, we have to pay to use the turnpike all the time. Cincinnati and Kentucky can deal with a toll road, it won't kill then.
Doubt it. There's plenty of alternative routes between the Big Mac, Taylor-Southgate, or even the Robeling bridge.
Buster Bluth
Columbus, OH
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NEOBuckeye
Ohio At-Large
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Very, very stupid idea. Traffic is already at a crawl downtown during rush hour. Tolls will ensure that it becomes a parking lot. Not to mention that it imposes another barrier in a metro already senselessly divided between three states. Find another way.
Anne
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From the article:
“I do not believe that a white charger is going to come galloping (from Washington) into Cincinnati with $2 billion in the saddlebags,” Kasich said. “So if that isn’t going to happen and all we do is delay, delay, delay and we push this thing out until 2036 ... holy cow!”
Wow, not a problem to delay Split Fix...
Keep spending money Ohio doesn't have Kasich!
cheap
Westgate
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Walker said:
If Ohio were full of toll roads and bridges then perhaps building rail transit might look a little more attractive...
how about doubling real estate taxes to make renting more attractive?
or doubling tax on coffee to make water more attractive.
the best one is raising taxes on cigarettes to make people quit.
lmao
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
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cheap said:
how about doubling real estate taxes to make renting more attractive?or doubling tax on coffee to make water more attractive.
the best one is raising taxes on cigarettes to make people quit.
lmao
I thought you'd be in favor of putting the burden of highway funding on the individual users (drivers).
You really think everyone should pay for that bridge renovation, whether they use it or not?
Next thing you know you'll be wanting everyone else to subsidize your cigarette, coffee and home purchases.
lmfao (party rock)
Rockmastermike
The Bacon District
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They should put trolls in instead of tolls. It would really cut back on traffic!
(I'm sure the CU community could donate a few)
Analogue Kid
Olentangy West
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NEOBuckeye said:
Very, very stupid idea. Traffic is already at a crawl downtown during rush hour. Tolls will ensure that it becomes a parking lot. Not to mention that it imposes another barrier in a metro already senselessly divided between three states. Find another way.
Electronic tolling makes this problem go away.
Buster Bluth said:
Then why build it? It seems like the bridge free market (lol) makes this bridge a bad investment for the state then.
The other bridges are pretty full and this one is waaaaaay beyond it's capacity. This is important for all of Ohio because of the logistics industry. Bottlenecks can really make or break a place in terms of setting up shop.
NEOBuckeye
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Analogue Kid said:
Electronic tolling makes this problem go away.The other bridges are pretty full and this one is waaaaaay beyond it's capacity. This is important for all of Ohio because of the logistics industry. Bottlenecks can really make or break a place in terms of setting up shop.
You erroneously assume that everyone will buy an EZ Pass. Some local residents who are daily commuters back and forth across the bridge may do so for convenience--nevermind that the toll is a greater inconvenience--but others will protest the idea, and less frequent travelers may not be able to justify the fees. A lot of people will instead opt to take I-275 over the river and back, resulting in longer commutes and traffic congestion elsewhere.
I suspect that there are other, as of yet unacknowledged methods of allocating funding for this project. I've noticed for instance that Ohio is moving ahead with widening I-71 to three lanes up in Morrow and Delaware counties. May I ask why? While the project once completed will certainly make for a smoother drive for those who travel back and forth between Columbus and the Cleveland-Akron area with some regularity (myself included), it shouldn't be nearly as high a priority as replacing an aging key gateway bridge that connects the heart of a metropolitan region and so much more. Even the central interchange project here in Columbus could be put on hold for a while longer to deal with the bridge.
Analogue Kid
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NEOBuckeye said:
You erroneously assume that everyone will buy an EZ Pass. Some local residents who are daily commuters back and forth across the bridge may do so for convenience--nevermind that the toll is a greater inconvenience--but others will protest the idea, and less frequent travelers may not be able to justify the fees. A lot of people will instead opt to take I-275 over the river and back, resulting in longer commutes and traffic congestion elsewhere.
I don't assume people would buy an EZ Pass, I think they would use electronic tolling that doesn't require subscription. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Highway_407
As for diverting traffic, maybe it will initially. Still, I can't imagine taking I-275 is really that much more economical with gasp prices the way they are.
cheap
Westgate
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Walker said:
I thought you'd be in favor of putting the burden of highway funding on the individual users (drivers).You really think everyone should pay for that bridge renovation, whether they use it or not?
Next thing you know you'll be wanting everyone else to subsidize your cigarette, coffee and home purchases.
lmfao (party rock)
im already subsidizing your home purchase
i and everyone else is actually subsidizing it.
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Drivers: Don't ask us to pay for new bridge
Majority in region opposes tolls, higher gas taxes to replace aging Brent Spence infrastructure
Jun. 3, 2012
Written by Jason Williams
For the past seven years, Brad Steele has used the Brent Spence Bridge to get to work from his Northern Kentucky home. Steele is adamantly opposed to lawmakers paying for a new bridge with tolls, primarily because he fears tollbooths and other collection devices would create even worse congestion.
READ MORE: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120603/NEWS/306030095&Ref=AR
DocMedPot
Columbus, Crosswoods area
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News said:
Drivers: Don't ask us to pay for new bridge
Majority in region opposes tolls, higher gas taxes to replace aging Brent Spence infrastructure
Jun. 3, 2012
Written by Jason Williams
For the past seven years, Brad Steele has used the Brent Spence Bridge to get to work from his Northern Kentucky home. Steele is adamantly opposed to lawmakers paying for a new bridge with tolls, primarily because he fears tollbooths and other collection devices would create even worse congestion.
READ MORE: http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120603/NEWS/306030095&Ref=AR
For those of you that never traveled this cluster-foxtrot joining of 71-75 the space is very limited for this new bridge. Adding toll lanes at this point would pretty much negate the advantages of the new bridge and add more confusion and congestion.
I lived in Cincy for a couple years back in the 80's and Brent Spence was outdated and a daily backup of traffic then. It makes me question the long term thinking of the transportation agencies that have delayed this for 3 decades to a point where it's too expensive to replace without tolls and another 'tax" on the people that must use this road daily.
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