futureman wrote >>
Timken site up next for Wagenbrenner's redevelopment efforts
Business First - by Brian R. Ball
Friday, June 17, 2011Wagenbrenner Development Co. may take its expertise at redeveloping industrial sites to a former Timken Co.bizWatch property north of downtown.
The Columbus developer is seeking a $199,960 grant from the city’s Green Columbus Fund to help pay for environmental testing of the property at Cleveland and East Fifth avenues in the Milo-Grogan neighborhood. Wagenbrenner also plans to seek a $3 million grant from the state’s Clean Ohio Revitalization Fund.
Plans for the site won’t be finalized until cleanup costs are determined, but developer President Mark Wagenbrenner said likely uses include a distribution center or retail."
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Posted 11 months ago #
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I really like what Wagenbrenner has done in Harrison West (built during the housing boom). I really would like to see how Columbus Coated Fabrics ends up before starting something else though. Wagenbrenner is large and smart enough to get the government grants. I just hope these new build projects fill up and in a timely manner.
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Might be a good place for an urban Wal-Mart or Target. I would rather see something mixed use rather than a distribution center, however, in the end, something is better than nothing I suppose.
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jpizzow wrote >>
Might be a good place for an urban Wal-Mart or Target. I would rather see something mixed use rather than a distribution center, however, in the end, something is better than nothing I suppose.That would kinda solve the grocery problem downtown..... and Im glad this is getting redeveloped... more of downtown redeveloped would be nice to see.... I was looking at the new site right below the site (southwest - Jeffery Place?) and it would be nice place for more redevelopment..... especially that area since it is so close to the convention center and the main streets that run thru downtown.
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jpizzow wrote >>
Might be a good place for an urban Wal-Mart or Target. I would rather see something mixed use rather than a distribution center, however, in the end, something is better than nothing I suppose.yikes, how about a Kohl's, Aldi, and Dollar Store???? I would rather see something less massive than the big box retailers, though I know that is swimming against the current. Are Easton and Lennox too far to get your big box fix>?
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I could be wrong, but I believe jpizzow's request for an *urban* Target or Walmart was probably referring to less of a "big box" format and something much smaller, as is the trend right now:
http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/walmart-is-going-urban-with-new-stores
Anyway, the Timken site is ripe for becoming a huge new mixed-use sub-neighborhood. Something along the lines of Harrison West with commercial zones facing Cleveland and Fifth.
An urban version of a retailer like Target or Walmart would surely be welcome in that area, but I have to imagine that would only account for less than 5% of the space of this site. It's practically the size of the Arena District.
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At a meeting this week I heard "flex warehouse" (I don't know what that means), retail, and expansion of 5th Avenue Lumber mentioned for that site by a member of the Wagenbrenner team.
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Walker wrote >>
CalebR wrote >>
That would kinda solve the grocery problem downtown...No it wouldn't.
Hate to tell you this.. but it would.. because I said kinda.. if you put it on the south side of the property then you may get some people.. I didn't say it WOULD resolve I said it would KINDA resolve.
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jpizzow wrote >>
Might be a good place for an urban Wal-Mart or Target. I would rather see something mixed use rather than a distribution center, however, in the end, something is better than nothing I suppose.According to the full article, a Wal-Mart was proposed for the site in 2004 but the Clean Ohio funding deal with the developer fell through....
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CalebR wrote >>
Walker wrote >>
CalebR wrote >>
That would kinda solve the grocery problem downtown...
No it wouldn't.
Hate to tell you this.. but it would.. because I said kinda.. if you put it on the south side of the property then you may get some people.. I didn't say it WOULD resolve I said it would KINDA resolve.
well even if it were located on the southern edge of the property its still a good distance from downtown. i would say between 1.5 to maybe 2.5 miles. the brewery dist kroger is much closer to downtown then that.
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lazyfish wrote >>
jpizzow wrote >>
Might be a good place for an urban Wal-Mart or Target. I would rather see something mixed use rather than a distribution center, however, in the end, something is better than nothing I suppose.yikes, how about a Kohl's, Aldi, and Dollar Store???? I would rather see something less massive than the big box retailers, though I know that is swimming against the current. Are Easton and Lennox too far to get your big box fix>?
No. I'm not really a big box type of guy, not that the Lennox Target isn't convenient. I was leaning more towards the new trend in Walmart's and Target's smaller urban stores. I could see one being a good fit for that neighborhood. I think alot of people forget how dense the urban core is. The big box retailers are so spread out in the burbs for a reason-there are fewer people per square mile. I personally think a smaller "big box" retailer like Wal-Fart could be a good fit there, more so if the entire site were developed into a dense mixed use neighborhood.
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Walker wrote >>
I could be wrong, but I believe jpizzow's request for an *urban* Target or Walmart was probably referring to less of a "big box" format and something much smaller, as is the trend right now:
http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/walmart-is-going-urban-with-new-stores
Anyway, the Timken site is ripe for becoming a huge new mixed-use sub-neighborhood. Something along the lines of Harrison West with commercial zones facing Cleveland and Fifth.
An urban version of a retailer like Target or Walmart would surely be welcome in that area, but I have to imagine that would only account for less than 5% of the space of this site. It's practically the size of the Arena District.No, you pretty much got it.
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CalebR wrote >>
Hate to tell you this.. but it would.. because I said kinda.. if you put it on the south side of the property then you may get some people.. I didn't say it WOULD resolve I said it would KINDA resolve.I'm not here to argue semantics.
People want a grocery store Downtown, which is the "problem". This area is not Downtown. Therefore, it wouldn't solve it at all.
Do I think a grocery store in this area is a good idea? Sure. But it's not Downtown. Period.
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I'd also approve of an urban size Walmart. I actually like the idea of a distribution center too because it could provide blue collar employment near the central city that would be easily accessible for those without cars.
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Wagenbrenner lands Clean Ohio cash for Timken site
Business First by Brian R. Ball, Staff reporter
Date: Monday, November 21, 2011Wagenbrenner Development Inc. has scored Clean Ohio cash for yet another brownfield site. The state on Friday awarded $3 million for the developer’s plans to clean up the Timken Co. property at East Fifth and Cleveland avenues as officials continue to explore just how to put the 31-acre property back to productive use. Columbus Business First reported in June that Wagenbrenner was interested in the site, where a ball bearings manufacturing plant has long since been demolished.
READ MORE: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2011/11/21/wagenbrenner-lands-clean-ohio-cash-for.htmlPosted 6 months ago # -
So, I'm assuming the site is TOO contaminated to build residential???
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Everything seems so isolated once you cross under those railroad tracks going east. It is obviously a psychological thing, but it is noticeable. Those tracks are a pretty impactful boundary.
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It's true the RR tracks are a barrier, but I think the sense of isolation will change somewhat when the new development around Grant Avenue is done. That will sit right up next to the tracks on the northwest side.
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Yeah, the RR tracks as a barrier can be easily overcome. The tracks over top of Spring Street are pretty ugly but they don't divide the Arena District really, because you know there are destination points on both sides of the tracks.
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