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About the stops. One thing that people are forgetting is something very common in England. They have many stops along a route but not EVERY train has to stop at them all. For instance from London to Cambridge every hour they had a bullet train that made no stops in between the two cities. While every 30 minutes they had a train that made 4 stops in between and so on. More stops allows more access and are good to attract riders, but don't necessarily mean the travel times over greater distances has to be longer.
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johnwirtz
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Wickham wrote >>
About the stops one thing that people are forgetting is something very common in England. They have many stops along a route but not EVERY train has to stop at them all. For instance from London to Cambridge every hour they had a bullet train that made no stops in between the two cities. While every 30 minutes they had a train that made 4 stops in between and so on. More stops allows more access and are good to attract riders, but don't necessarily mean the travel times over greater distances has to be longer.+1 This should be the model for Ohio. I would love to see some regional commuter rail lines stopping every couple of miles share the same tracks if possible.
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Rastapasta
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Tenzo wrote >>
hmmm.
I just added up the ones that benefit Chicago.
$2.154B
I guess that is not surprising consider who he is beholding to.In all fairness, Chicago seems to be a large rail hub (at least for passenger trains). Of course, Obama, Lahood and Rahm Emanuel are all "great" swindling Illinois politicians...
As someone who uses Amtrak in Illinois (I ride the Sandburg or sometimes the cross country trains- i.e. SW Chief), the delays, problems, etc. are much too frequent-- most of my trips are 2 hours --- and 3 out of 5 times (my estimate), it takes double ! In the last two years I have had some horror stories on those trains!
Existing rail lines need major improvement in addition to adding new lines. It's a wonderful thing people are finally waking up to rail travel--- even with the problems I encounter, I am in love with rail travel.
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michaelcoyote
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johnwirtz wrote >>
Wickham wrote >>
About the stops one thing that people are forgetting is something very common in England. They have many stops along a route but not EVERY train has to stop at them all. For instance from London to Cambridge every hour they had a bullet train that made no stops in between the two cities. While every 30 minutes they had a train that made 4 stops in between and so on. More stops allows more access and are good to attract riders, but don't necessarily mean the travel times over greater distances has to be longer.+1 This should be the model for Ohio. I would love to see some regional commuter rail lines stopping every couple of miles share the same tracks if possible.
I find myself alternating between NJ transit and Amtrak when I stay in South Jersey and want to get to the city. It kinda depends on where I'm staying, but often, the NJ transit is easier, and isn't really that much more time to get into the city.
That said, when I'm just trying to get to NYC from Philly, it's really nice when I can get the Acela, or even just a regional train.
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Columbusite
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mstimple wrote >>
Yea that's the one I linked to last night, but there is another site somewhere that listed more stops and went into more detail and also talked about station locations here in Columbus. Your going to get a lot of people from small towns between the cities even more pissed off if they find that this train that they will be paying to build won't be stopping anywhere near them. However, if you only have one stop between here and Cleveland, the total travel time will be lower.Whether we like it or not, residents from those depressed small towns can kick and scream all they want. No one, not other residents of Ohio nor the government is going to pay attention to them. It's the same deal with low-income urban neighborhoods. On the upside though,
johnwirtz wrote >>
Wickham wrote >>
About the stops one thing that people are forgetting is something very common in England. They have many stops along a route but not EVERY train has to stop at them all. For instance from London to Cambridge every hour they had a bullet train that made no stops in between the two cities. While every 30 minutes they had a train that made 4 stops in between and so on. More stops allows more access and are good to attract riders, but don't necessarily mean the travel times over greater distances has to be longer.+1 This should be the model for Ohio. I would love to see some regional commuter rail lines stopping every couple of miles share the same tracks if possible.
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Walker
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Big map of the various networks and corridors:
http://usdotblog.typepad.com/.a/6a00e551eea4f588340128771ffb23970c-pi
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dru
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Which ones are high speed?
Tampa Orlando is a boondoggle. There just isn't that much traffic between the two spots and it isn't that far. I'm seeing it as an extension of Disney World Monorail service to the Tampa beaches.I don't see that as a "boondoggle" necessarily. It is almost 100 miles from Orlando to Lakeland to Tampa-St. Pete, and those cities make our urban sprawl problems seem quaint by comparison. Traffic in and around Orlando and Tampa is absolutely insane, and they spend unbelievable amounts of money on road repair every year. The last time I was in Orlando, I was stunned to hear actual Orlandoans saying that they would gladly give up their using their cars so much for a commuter rail and connector lines between Orlando-Tampa-Miami. If this leads to easier, cheaper, less damaging transportation for millions of denizens and tourists in central and south Florida (like I hope it leads to here in Ohio), then every last dime is money well-spent. It would free up hundreds of millions of dollars in federal money that goes there yearly to repair infrastructure, and that helps all of us. (And I would imagine that a lot of the extra cost is justified, due to the unique problems of terrain and environmental impact: sandy soil, wetlands, wildlife, etc.)
having just this week driven between Tampa/St Pete and Orlando for business, I can see 3 points to this line.
1. It has less to do with getting Mouseketters from Orlando to the beach, and a lot about docking cruise ships in the bay and shuttling them the opposite way to Orlando. The impact on tourism in 2 cities that heavily depend on it cannot be underestimated.
2. As mentioned, the outward growth of both is extensive and the two economies are quickly merging into one major urban corridor. It makes sense to add a connection between the 2 before massively expanding highway 4 (which is painfully congested entering Orlando)
3. Looking at the maps, connecting T/SP to Orlando then connects the gulf coast to the N/S rail East coast rail connection. Blue hairs look out, there's a future alternative to driving that Lincoln Town car back to Long Island to visit the grandkids.Posted 2 years ago # -
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Not sure if they updated the station locations but I read a while ago that the Orlando stop wasn't in the downtown but was actually closer to the Disney Resorts. I understand that makes sense for all of the tourists but I would think that having a stop in downtown as well would be a real bonus for the yearround residents of Orlando.
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michaelcoyote
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Interesting map of projected midwest hub based in Chicago.
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lifeontwowheels
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agtw31 wrote >>
midwest is chump change compared to the west coast
Chinese are ready to go now,with check in hand
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/22406495/detail.htmlYour point?
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Core_Models
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lifeontwowheels wrote >>
agtw31 wrote >>
midwest is chump change compared to the west coast
Chinese are ready to go now,with check in hand
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/22406495/detail.htmlYour point?
Don't know his point, but mine would be that the Chinese should buy us a ridiculous fast train.
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michaelcoyote
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As much as I'd love to go to Cleveland to visit by rail, I'm betting that most of my business rail travel would be to Chicago.
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michaelcoyote
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Core_Models wrote >>
lifeontwowheels wrote >>
agtw31 wrote >>
midwest is chump change compared to the west coast
Chinese are ready to go now,with check in hand
http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/22406495/detail.htmlYour point?
Don't know his point, but mine would be that the Chinese should buy us a ridiculous fast train.
Or the Japanese
I think that Toledo or Columbus would be a great place for a US/Japan joint venture train manufacturing and testing facility
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Walker
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Amtrak Studies Florida East Coast Railway Service as State Advances High-Speed Rail
by Yonah Freemark | May 3rd, 2010
Though Florida’s 84-mile high-speed rail project to connect Tampa and Orlando has gotten most of the attention recently, having received a $1.25 billion stimulus grant, the state’s largest metropolitan area remains on the back burner when it comes to improved train operations. High-speed rail services could theoretically reach Miami by 2018, but with a more than one billion dollar gap in funding for the first phase and a completion date of 2015, the Gold Coast can be expected to wait quite a few more years for true high-speed services.
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Walker
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Construction to start in early 2011
By Charles Gonzalez
Published: Saturday, June 12, 2010Initial construction on Florida's high-speed rail system is projected to begin in February or March, participants and visitors at a regional transportation meeting learned Friday.
READ MORE: http://www.newschief.com/article/20100612/NEWS/6125022/1021?tc=ar
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Walker
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High-Speed Rail Will Spur Growth in Hub Cities, Says Mayors Report
By GAYATHRI VAIDYANATHAN of Greenwire
Published: June 14, 2010Billions of dollars of new business and tens of thousands of jobs will flow to four hub cities -- Los Angeles, Chicago, Orlando and Albany, N.Y. -- where plans for major high-speed rail networks are located, according to the U.S. Conference of Mayors.
Their report, released in Oklahoma City today, is the first attempt to put numbers on the widely held belief that high-speed rail can stimulate local economies and act as a driver of growth. The Obama administration has invested $8 billion in federal stimulus money to create 13 high-speed rail corridors.
The benefits of traveling between 110 and 220 miles per hour will mean better connectivity, shorter travel times and new development around train stations, according to the report. The changes will create 150,000 new jobs and some $19 billion in new businesses by 2035.
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