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Walker
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Posted 1 year ago # -
thepiece
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I'm not too surprised by those states. Most our predominately rural.
Interesting index, but I don't think it proves that "brain drain" is a myth in Ohio. When you look at migration data, we obviously have been losing some of our educated/skilled population in the past decade or two.
That being said, the state has improved in respect to our college attainment levels, from 40th nationally in 1990 to 35th in 2008.
An improvement, but still 35th is not anything to brag about.Posted 1 year ago # -
Antonio
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The next time one of the Ohio talking heads pronounces this bogus myth, you know the truth.
This continues to be espoused over and over again without any proof, just accepted as factual. That has now been stripped away as a pack of lies.
Given that Colorado is on the list, the theory that rail and street cars keep the educated populace and attract them seems not to work well.
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thepiece
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Antonio wrote <a
The next time one of the Ohio talking heads pronounces this bogus myth, you know the truth.
This continues to be espoused over and over again without any proof, just accepted as factual. That has now been stripped away as a pack of lies.
Given that Colorado is on the list, the theory that rail and street cars keep the educated populace and attract them seems not to work well.Ok...now your just distorting information. As I stated in my earlier post, not ranking in the top ten in some magazine's index doesn't really prove anything significant...other than we are not as bad as about ten other states...which are predominately rural.
Especially considering your article's "index", includes such things as high school graduation rates, high school test scores and the number of white collar jobs in its formulation...things which are all only indirectly linked to the "brain drain" issue.
And leaping to the conclusion that this somehow disproves that educated workers like light rail is a pretty wide leap of imagination. Have you conducted analysis of the migration characteristics of Denver's educated population and surveys of their opinions on the rail system? You do realize that Denver is not all of Colorado?
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Antonio
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When did the Wall Street Journal turn into a magazine ? I missed that announcement.
Considering the Denver Metro area represents 2.7 million of the states population of 5 million, it more than represents the state.
What actual proof exists that the more educated a person is, the more enamored they are with rail ?
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Antonio wrote <a
The next time one of the Ohio talking heads pronounces this bogus myth, you know the truth.
This continues to be espoused over and over again without any proof, just accepted as factual. That has now been stripped away as a pack of lies.
Given that Colorado is on the list, the theory that rail and street cars keep the educated populace and attract them seems not to work well.
Ok...now your just distorting information. As I stated in my earlier post, not ranking in the top ten in some magazine's index doesn't really prove anything significant...other than we are not as bad as about ten other states...which are predominately rural.
Especially considering your article's "index", includes such things as high school graduation rates, high school test scores and the number of white collar jobs in its formulation...things which are all only indirectly linked to the "brain drain" issue.
And leaping to the conclusion that this somehow disproves that educated workers like light rail is a pretty wide leap of imagination. Have you conducted analysis of the migration characteristics of Denver's educated population and surveys of their opinions on the rail system? You do realize that Denver is not all of Colorado?Posted 1 year ago # -
Brant
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Here's a pretty groundbreaking article published a few years ago that found evidence to suggest that "brain drain" is actually more like "brain circulation," meaning the smart people who go away for a time will ultimately bring their new knowledge and experiences back home, benefitting local economies in the long run.
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thepiece
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Antonio wrote
When did the Wall Street Journal turn into a magazine ? I missed that announcement.
Considering the Denver Metro area represents 2.7 million of the states population of 5 million, it more than represents the state.
What actual proof exists that the more educated a person is, the more enamored they are with rail ?You should read your article more closely, its produced by a web publication Wall Street 24/7 not the Wall Street journal.
Also, even if you were accurate in your illogical leaps about light rail, Denver and their ranking on this list...then you should also have read the portion of the article that listed college educational attainment in Colorado at nearly 36% (2nd highest in the nation) and population growth of more than 12% since 2000 (that's a half million additional people). Ohio, would love to have those figures.
You also should have read, that they were low in this index's rankings because their high school test scores dropped significantly. (which has very little to do with the brain drain and probably speaks more to immigration of low wage workers into Colorado in the past decade during the housing boom).
Read your articles a little more closely next time.
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Antonio
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I stand corrected on the Wall Street Journal...
Still waiting for proof the more educated a person is the more enamored they are with rail.
You seem to assert it's illogical to ask for proof that this is the case.
thepiece wrote >>
Antonio wrote
When did the Wall Street Journal turn into a magazine ? I missed that announcement.
Considering the Denver Metro area represents 2.7 million of the states population of 5 million, it more than represents the state.
What actual proof exists that the more educated a person is, the more enamored they are with rail ?
You should read your article more closely, its produced by a web publication Wall Street 24/7 not the Wall Street journal.
Also, even if you were accurate in your illogical leaps about light rail, Denver and their ranking on this list...then you should also have read the portion of the article that listed college educational attainment in Colorado at nearly 36% (2nd highest in the nation) and population growth of more than 12% since 2000 (that's a half million additional people). Ohio, would love to have those figures.
You also should have read, that they were low in this index's rankings because their high school test scores dropped significantly. (which has very little to do with the brain drain and probably speaks more to immigration of low wage workers into Colorado in the past decade during the housing boom).
Read your articles a little more closely next time.Posted 1 year ago # -
CharlieMike
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Antonio wrote >>
Given that Colorado is on the list, the theory that rail and street cars keep the educated populace and attract them seems not to work well.
http://www.rtd-denver.com/LightRail_Map.shtmlWith that logic, you could replace a few words and get: "Given that 3 out of the top 10 states on that list have no state income tax, the theory that lower/no income taxes keep the educated populace and attract them seems not to work well."
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Antonio
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What does that statement have to do with brain drain ?
The assertions were made over and over again without rail brain drain occurrs.
CharlieMike wrote >>
Antonio wrote >>
Given that Colorado is on the list, the theory that rail and street cars keep the educated populace and attract them seems not to work well.
http://www.rtd-denver.com/LightRail_Map.shtmlWith that logic, you could replace a few words and get: "Given that 3 out of the top 10 states on that list have no state income tax, the theory that lower/no income taxes keep the educated populace and attract them seems not to work well."
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thepiece
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Antonio
I stand corrected on the Wall Street Journal...
Still waiting for proof the more educated a person is the more enamored they are with rail.
You seem to assert it's illogical to ask for proof that this is the case.No, I find it illogical that your leaping from one conclusion to another with sparse, disconnected and incomplete information. Your conflating two different arguments (This was what CharlieMike was alluding to in his post...plus 1 to your statement CharlieMike).
I don't think its illogical to ask if young educated folks are interested in light rail. But that's a different issue from "Ohio's brain drain myth". I'm guessing if you wanted that information you need to look at surveys (which anecdotally, from what I have seen, that finding has been supported in various surveys...but that's a whole different issue).
Posted 1 year ago # -
CharlieMike
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You're using flawed logic to arrive at your conclusion.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Antonio
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Once again where is your proof ?
thepiece wrote >>
Antonio
I stand corrected on the Wall Street Journal...
Still waiting for proof the more educated a person is the more enamored they are with rail.
You seem to assert it's illogical to ask for proof that this is the case.
No, I find it illogical that your leaping from one conclusion to another with sparse, disconnected and incomplete information. Your conflating two different arguments (This was what CharlieMike was alluding to in his post...plus 1 to your statement CharlieMike).
I don't think its illogical to ask if young educated folks are interested in light rail. But that's a different issue from "Ohio's brain drain myth". I'm guessing if you wanted that information you need to look at surveys (which anecdotally, from what I have seen, that finding has been supported in various surveys...but that's a whole different issue).Posted 1 year ago # -
JonMyers
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I'm skeptical of brain drain or gain either way because officials tend to shape the data to shape the story they're trying to sell you. You might as well sound the sirens and alert everyone to the threat of systemic Ewok Flight.
My point is that the concept of brain drain, which nobody seems to agree on clear measures for or methodologies for assessing, seems to be running out of steam.
Just wait, the pop economists and social pseudo-scientists will have to create a new abstract, loosely quantifiable urgent problem and boilerplate cure to sell to unimaginative city leaders looking for the next silver bullet for growth and development.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Antonio
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Exactly.
Every city in the nation is saying virtually the same thing from coast to coast..
Where are all the educated people all going then ? Some island far away or into a black hole ?
http://radioboston.wbur.org/2010/05/27/college-grads
JonMyers wrote >>
I'm skeptical of brain drain or gain either way because officials tend to shape the data to shape the story they're trying to sell you. You might as well sound the sirens and alert everyone to the threat of systemic Ewok Flight.
My point is that the concept of brain drain, which nobody seems to agree on clear measures for or methodologies for assessing, seems to be running out of steam.
Just wait, the pop economists and social pseudo-scientists will have to create a new abstract, loosely quantifiable urgent problem and boilerplate cure to sell to unimaginative city leaders looking for the next silver bullet for growth and development.Posted 1 year ago # -
Core_Models
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Where are all the educated people all going then ?
Only the places the trains can take them.
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