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greenhouse1014
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Slate Magazine wrote:
Barack Obama bringeth rapture to his audience. They swoon and wobble, regardless of race, gender, or political affiliation, although few understand exactly why he has this effect on them.
No less an intellect than The New Yorker's George Packer confesses that moments after a 25-minute campaign speech by Obama in New Hampshire concluded, he couldn't remember exactly what the candidate said. Yet "the speech dissolved into pure feeling, which stayed with me for days," he writes.
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joev
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greenhouse1014 wrote Slate Magazine wrote:
Barack Obama bringeth rapture to his audience. They swoon and wobble, regardless of race, gender, or political affiliation, although few understand exactly why he has this effect on them.
No less an intellect than The New Yorker's George Packer confesses that moments after a 25-minute campaign speech by Obama in New Hampshire concluded, he couldn't remember exactly what the candidate said. Yet "the speech dissolved into pure feeling, which stayed with me for days," he writes.
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That article spoke to exactly what scares me about Obama. Overreliance on rhetoric and making people feel good. Whenever I hear somebody say "but he's such a good speaker" (about Obama or anybody else) I cringe.

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For a while (Up until the New Hampshire debate), I really didn't think much of Obama. I mean the guy just talked platitude after platitude and through in some ums to make it sound like he was thinking hard about it. When you compared that to people of substance like Richardson and Edwards, it really angered me.
Nowadays I like Obama and plan on voting for him in the primary, but that is because more and more I like his policies, not because of his silver tongue. He really is a great public speaker. He is running a genius campaign also. Just when he needs a solid economic plan for Ohio, poof! there it is. I think Obama could give Gorgias some lessons in rhetoric though.

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P.S. Obama lovers
Be warned, I have never voted for someone in a primary that has won a election, just sayinÃ¢â‚¬â„¢, ummmm, my views may be just a bit out of the mainstream?

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That's a great article, and this is a great observation:
"In his 2004 convention speech, Obama concedes that we Americans have our differences. While race, geography, politics, and sexual orientation may separate individuals, he insists "there is not a liberal America and a conservative AmericaÃ¢â‚¬â€there is the United States of America. There is not a black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian AmericaÃ¢â‚¬â€there's the United States of America." The same words issued by George W. Bush's mouth would move nobody, but a boundary walker like Obama has a way of making them sound genuine."
...and the final sentence of that paragraph is one of the most persuasive aspects of a potential Obama presidency:
"The bonus point for Obama is that by calling for unity, he can also subtly reject the identity politics that have crippled the Democratic Party."
Have I mentioned how much I despise identity politics, or how much it has turned me off of the Dem party? I have practical reservations about Obama's electability, but I do see definite appeal in his potential ability to ease racial tensionss and to give the US some leadership that the world can respond to positively.

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I think I'll vote for obama in the primary just so hillary isn't on the ticket, but mccain for prez.
I'd be happy if either were prez though, just as long as it's not hillary

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I will vote for Obama. I like good talkers. I myself am a professional talker thus I will likey have a political future.

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I'm voting Hillary in the primary, but McCain in the general at this point, unless Hillary (a) wins the primary and (b) makes some serious concessions to the center.

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mellotron
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Yeah, this is kind of an ironic development here.
Obama, the smooth talking soothsayer has garnered the vote of intellectual/college educated liberals.
Hillary, the candidate of detail-oriented plans, appears to be the candidate of the blue collar, working class democrat.
Interesting, that's all I'm saying.
p.s. I'm no less impacted by Obama's speech. My reaction to his DNC speech was "wow, this guy's gonna be president some day."

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gramarye wrote I'm voting Hillary in the primary, but McCain in the general at this point, unless Hillary (a) wins the primary and (b) makes some serious concessions to the center.
So you are a registered D, but are going to vote Republican in the general. You really like giving Karl Rove hand jobs that much? :roll: Seriously Gram, sorry there isn't a minarchist party yet.

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Mercurius wrote
gramarye wrote I'm voting Hillary in the primary, but McCain in the general at this point, unless Hillary (a) wins the primary and (b) makes some serious concessions to the center.
So you are a registered D, but are going to vote Republican in the general. You really like giving Karl Rove hand jobs that much? :roll: Seriously Gram, sorry there isn't a minarchist party yet.
you don't pre-register for a party in Ohio.

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Mercurius
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Once you vote D though, you are a registered democrat.

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Mercurius wrote Once you vote D though, you are a registered democrat.
True, I see what you're saying now.

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mellotron wrote Yeah, this is kind of an ironic development here.
Obama, the smooth talking soothsayer has garnered the vote of intellectual/college educated liberals.
Hillary, the candidate of detail-oriented plans, appears to be the candidate of the blue collar, working class democrat.
Interesting, that's all I'm saying.
p.s. I'm no less impacted by Obama's speech. My reaction to his DNC speech was "wow, this guy's gonna be president some day."
At huge risk of generalization, I would venture to say that the lower educated, lower economic and working class folks are more likely to take Barack's race into consideration and vote against him for that. I would sweepingly say that Hillary has the racist voting block. What a source of pride for her...

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joev
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So if I asked for a Republican ballot last primary (I tried to stop Ken Blackwell) could I ask for a Democratic one this time?

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joev wrote So if I asked for a Republican ballot last primary (I tried to stop Ken Blackwell) could I ask for a Democratic one this time?
Yep.

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greenhouse1014 wrote
mellotron wrote Yeah, this is kind of an ironic development here.
Obama, the smooth talking soothsayer has garnered the vote of intellectual/college educated liberals.
Hillary, the candidate of detail-oriented plans, appears to be the candidate of the blue collar, working class democrat.
Interesting, that's all I'm saying.
p.s. I'm no less impacted by Obama's speech. My reaction to his DNC speech was "wow, this guy's gonna be president some day."
At huge risk of generalization, I would venture to say that the lower educated, lower economic and working class folks are more likely to take Barack's race into consideration and vote against him for that. I would sweepingly say that Hillary has the racist voting block. What a source of pride for her...
That is a huge generalization. I'd say racists are not voting for Hillary. Huckabee, maybe, or Ron Paul.

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joev wrote That is a huge generalization. I'd say racists are not voting for Hillary. Huckabee, maybe, or Ron Paul.
or McCain.

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joev
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I really don't think McCain. McCain advocated a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. Racists don't like that.

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joev wrote I really don't think McCain. McCain advocated a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. Racists don't like that.
They like black people less

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