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Started 1 year ago by Walker
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somertimeoh
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I still can't believe Ohio elected Garry Shandling as our governor. It may take me weeks just to get past that before I can even begin to digest the rest of the ridiculousness of his agenda.
@thepiece, you're definitely not alone. VERY happy I didn't plant roots here like I'd expected to do in the next year or 2 - start a business, buy property. The dream I have for my future doesn't exist here now, but I thought we were in motion to get there. That momentum has stopped and with this administration-elect we're going to be moving backwards. Do I alter my dreams or alter my address? That is the question and at 30 it sucks to feel in total limbo about that.

You sound like I did in 2008.
It gets better.

Because you realized Obama wasn't the anti-Chirst the Republicans made him out to be? Kasich IS the real deal and my fear of him and his agenda is legit. His own words and ideas terrify me, not the liberal spin of them.

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Tenzo
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ToddAnders wrote >>
That being said, you can also tell Obama to stop campaigning, because that's all he's done for 2 years.
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That's what he does best and is best at.
Seriously.
The guy likes to give speaches and rally the people. He has always been great at that. He was amazing in Chicago.
And he loves it. He is a fantastic crowd rallier.

That's what he did for most of his career.
I really don't think that he actually likes being president. He likes the campaigning more.

Posted 1 year ago #
pilsner

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I'm a liberal Democrat who isn't crazy about the 3C rail line. It'll probably be the only thing I agree with Kasich about.

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ChrisSunami wrote >>
I can't believe Ohio elected a pro-business gun nut who refuses to raise taxes.
Oh wait, that was Strickland.
Really, here in Ohio, even the Democrats are Republicans.

Hah! Exactly but we still have Marcy Kaptur, Marcia Fudge, Sherrod Brown, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Ryan and Jennifer Brunner to be proud of.

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rus

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rus wrote >>

somertimeoh wrote >>
I still can't believe Ohio elected Garry Shandling as our governor. It may take me weeks just to get past that before I can even begin to digest the rest of the ridiculousness of his agenda.
@thepiece, you're definitely not alone. VERY happy I didn't plant roots here like I'd expected to do in the next year or 2 - start a business, buy property. The dream I have for my future doesn't exist here now, but I thought we were in motion to get there. That momentum has stopped and with this administration-elect we're going to be moving backwards. Do I alter my dreams or alter my address? That is the question and at 30 it sucks to feel in total limbo about that.

You sound like I did in 2008.
It gets better.

Because you realized Obama wasn't the anti-Chirst the Republicans made him out to be? Kasich IS the real deal and my fear of him and his agenda is legit. His own words and ideas terrify me, not the liberal spin of them.

Obama's stated positions terrified me at one point. Then, he changed his positions.

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Schoolboy
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one crook for another

the only real reason i wasn't a fan of kasich was the canceling of the 3c line. just curious, by canceling the planning, i wonder how much of our tax money was wasted? not saying it's a lot, just curious.

would have used the crap out of that 3c line though. was very skeptical that it would ever make it past the planning stages though.

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kit444
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gramarye wrote >>
joev/thepiece:
The point you're missing is that a government job is created at the expense of the private sector. The money to pay the salary and benefits of any government worker is taken from somewhere else in the economy--and those who are constantly hit in the wallet for more than they perceive themselves to be receiving in benefits from the state are the real ones who are likely to find ways to move out of state, not ones disgruntled at how un-hip the state is becoming.

It depends on the person. I would move to a state with higher taxes if I felt there was a greater quality of life there. Part of that is a quality mass-transit system, which is one of the things I miss the most about living in Chicago. Maybe that's not an economically rational choice, but it's the one I would make. I also don't do a return on investment analysis of my tax dollars. Granted, I could be iconoclastic in this approach but I don't think I am. If your analysis of other people's choices is accurate, then the states with the lowest tax rates would be the most populous.

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thepiece
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I'm with you Kit. Gramercy, I just don't agree with that strictly utilitarian analysis.
So, then we also shouldn't have roads, transit, public schools, public universities, parks, environmental protection etc. etc. because they can all be rationalized away as "taxing away from others via taxation".

That doesn't mean those functions aren't important and in most cases essential to having a state that's educated, has a good infrastructure system, protects its environment, has a decent quality of life etc.
We are talking about cutting $8 billion or more from the state budget, that's hardly being chicken little, that means laid off teachers, closed state parks, less environmental protection etc. etc. That also is going to trickle down to every local government in the state.

All dollars are not equal in their use for our society and the health for our state.

My wife is a teacher, in an disadvantaged school and has been at it for ten years, she has helped all kinds of kids many in pretty difficult situations, and its extremely challenging work (and not a profession you go into for the money). So by your rationale her job shouldn't exist because it takes taxes to fund education? That seems pretty short sighted to me.

Why I'm so worried about this administration is primarily its attitude and perspective on these issues. One that will not provide any balance, and sacrifice the good of our state for scoring political points and beating the other side. A trend that's already coming through in early statements from the new administration and their decisions.

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Walker
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somertimeoh wrote >>
VERY happy I didn't plant roots here like I'd expected to do in the next year or 2 - start a business, buy property. The dream I have for my future doesn't exist here now, but I thought we were in motion to get there. That momentum has stopped and with this administration-elect we're going to be moving backwards. Do I alter my dreams or alter my address? That is the question and at 30 it sucks to feel in total limbo about that.

As a business owner and a home owner with no plans to uproot anytime soon, I can say that the vast majority of decisions at the state level have very little to do with my day to day life in a personal or business capacity.

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Walker
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Kasich to lobbyists: Get on Ã¢â‚¬Ëœthe busÃ¢â‚¬â„¢
By Laura A. Bischoff, Columbus Bureau
Updated 12:22 PM Friday, November 5, 2010

Gov.-elect John Kasich called together the Statehouse lobbying community for a luncheon Thursday and delivered a bold and urgent message:

Either help change the state or get out of the way.

READ MORE: http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/news/election/kasich-to-lobbyists-get-on-the-bus-995339.html

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gk
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Walker wrote >>

somertimeoh wrote >>
VERY happy I didn't plant roots here like I'd expected to do in the next year or 2 - start a business, buy property. The dream I have for my future doesn't exist here now, but I thought we were in motion to get there. That momentum has stopped and with this administration-elect we're going to be moving backwards. Do I alter my dreams or alter my address? That is the question and at 30 it sucks to feel in total limbo about that.

As a business owner and a home owner with no plans to uproot anytime soon, I can say that the vast majority of decisions at the state level have very little to do with my day to day life in a personal or business capacity.

That may be true. However, the state has never faced a budget deficit of $8 billion, coupled with a pledge not to raise taxes. The necessary cuts in state spending to fill the gap will impact every Ohioan, including you, as state aid to local governments, school districts, libraries, health providers, etc. are severely reduced and in some cases totally eliminated. In turn, local public officials (mayors, city council members, school board members) will be forced to either cut services or raise taxes to maintain those services in our communities.

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JimL2

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Are there any lobbyists on CU? Personally I'd be offended/scared if a governor threatened to hit me with a bus! Does anyone have a germane viewpoint?

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osulew
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JimL2 wrote >>
Are there any lobbyists on CU? Personally I'd be offended/scared if a governor threatened to hit me with a bus! Does anyone have a germane viewpoint?

We have at least 1...haven't heard from him since this morning. Guess the bus got him.

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Nitsud Regnifloh
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havent heard from me bc anything i say is immediately bashed. so i'll sit back and let you all scare each other. enjoy.

and, for the record, i'm on the bus, baby!

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alexs
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gk wrote >>
In turn, local public officials (mayors, city council members, school board members) will be forced to either cut services or raise taxes to maintain those services in our communities.

I hadn't thought of that angle. No the Governor does not raise state taxes but he shrugs civic responsibility to local governments who must find local funds. Teflon.

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GW_Justice
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I can't find the chart I was looking for that compared state income tax to the employment rates of states, but this page has some tax data.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/228.html

There is not a lot of correlation between states with low state income tax and employment, but generally southern states have lower taxes, and it has not helped them. Florida is the poster child for the theory that low taxes leads to jobs - they have no state income tax. And are facing disabling cuts from the state. They have 12.4% unemployment, and housing prices still in the toilet. People are fleeing the state.

Oh, and they just voted solid republican control for the state. Keep an ear on what is happening in Florida, it might be the future of Ohio.

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rus

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GW_Justice wrote >>
I can't find the chart I was looking for that compared state income tax to the employment rates of states, but this page has some tax data.

Think a more interesting comparison would be overall tax burden ( income, sales, real estate, etc. ) compared to unemployment rates.

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somertimeoh
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Walker wrote >>

somertimeoh wrote >>
VERY happy I didn't plant roots here like I'd expected to do in the next year or 2 - start a business, buy property. The dream I have for my future doesn't exist here now, but I thought we were in motion to get there. That momentum has stopped and with this administration-elect we're going to be moving backwards. Do I alter my dreams or alter my address? That is the question and at 30 it sucks to feel in total limbo about that.

As a business owner and a home owner with no plans to uproot anytime soon, I can say that the vast majority of decisions at the state level have very little to do with my day to day life in a personal or business capacity.

But you planted roots first. You've committed to this city regardless. Since I'm not planted, I'd rather relocate where the infrastructure I'm looking for already exists (or is a lot closer to existence) and then plant roots. It's less about the people in office than the message the state sent that while we're progressive in our little Columbus urban bubble, the state as a whole is far from it. Sadly, I could have a lifestyle closer to what I'm looking for if I moved back to Dallas than I could staying here. DFW has grown and changed leaps and bounds in the 5 years since I left, while not all that much has changed here, is no longer on the horizon, and certainly won't be now.

The fact that my day-to-day life WON'T change is exactly the problem.

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thepiece
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Think a more interesting comparison would be overall tax burden ( income, sales, real estate, etc. ) compared to unemployment rates.[quote]

I have not seen substantive research showing that tax cuts alone have stimulated state economic growth.
Taft's fairly significant tax code restructuring in 2004 was supposed to bring about a new era of tremendous job growth and prosperity. I can still remember the Dispatch's editorial page singing its praises. Well it's six years later and could anyone reasonably argue things are better economically in our state?
Yet, we are once again returning to this same line of thinking to save the state's economy.

Your comment on total tax burden is a good one, unfortunately given the fact that the vast majority of state funds go directly to local communities and school districts, starving the state budget is only going to produce a slew of new school levies and other attempts to raise revenue locally, therefore probably raising the local tax burden in communities across the state. Probably in a haphazzard way which will produce lots of have and have not communities, producing a patch work of bad and good services and infrastructure, and positioning us in a miserable position to attract economic development.

The issue above is why we will all be impacted by this, even if you don't feel like state policies and budgets play a role in your life. (Even if they appear invisible).
Everything from basic municipal services, to schools, to roads and transit, to any number of other initiatives, like the Clean Ohio funds which have been used to help with urban redevelopment across the State, are derived from state funding.

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somertimeoh wrote >>
Sadly, I could have a lifestyle closer to what I'm looking for if I moved back to Dallas than I could staying here. DFW has grown and changed leaps and bounds in the 5 years since I left, while not all that much has changed here, is no longer on the horizon, and certainly won't be now.
The fact that my day-to-day life WON'T change is exactly the problem.

Have I missed something? You consider Texas progressive?

Or are you speaking specifically of public transportation?

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