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Strickland/Kasich Gubernatorial Debate
Tuesday, September 14 8pm-9pm
Venue: COSI
Televised on the Ohio News Network
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Strickland/Kaisch Debate #1 - Tue 9/14 8pm
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Rockmastermike
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I fear this will be another chance for both sides to air the same tired, lame platitudes, and over simplified accusations they have been spouting all along with no more substance then either candidate has yet provided.
Prove me wrong, gentlemen. Prove me wrong.
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Rockmastermike
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Aaaand... I was proven staggeringly and sadly right.
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gk
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
I fear this will be another chance for both sides to air the same tired, lame platitudes, and over simplified accusations they have been spouting all along with no more substance then THAN either candidate has yet provided.
Prove me wrong, gentlemen. Prove me wrong.FIXED THAT FOR YOU!
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KSquared
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gk wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
I fear this will be another chance for both sides to air the same tired, lame platitudes, and over simplified accusations they have been spouting all along with no more substance then THAN either candidate has yet provided.
Prove me wrong, gentlemen. Prove me wrong.FIXED THAT FOR YOU!
"Fix" FAIL.
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Rockmastermike
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KSquared wrote >>
gk wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
I fear this will be another chance for both sides to air the same tired, lame platitudes, and over simplified accusations they have been spouting all along with no more substance then THAN either candidate has yet provided.
Prove me wrong, gentlemen. Prove me wrong.FIXED THAT FOR YOU!
"Fix" FAIL.
LOL
it's a correct fix, though. 's ok. Pedantic perhaps, but correct.
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KSquared
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
KSquared wrote >>
gk wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
I fear this will be another chance for both sides to air the same tired, lame platitudes, and over simplified accusations they have been spouting all along with no more substance then THAN either candidate has yet provided.
Prove me wrong, gentlemen. Prove me wrong.FIXED THAT FOR YOU!
"Fix" FAIL.
LOL
it's a correct fix, though. 's ok. Pedantic perhaps, but correct.The sentence still doesn't read correctly when both the incorrect and the correct word are in it. ;) That's what amused me.
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gk
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
KSquared wrote >>
gk wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
I fear this will be another chance for both sides to air the same tired, lame platitudes, and over simplified accusations they have been spouting all along with no more substance then THAN either candidate has yet provided.
Prove me wrong, gentlemen. Prove me wrong.FIXED THAT FOR YOU!
"Fix" FAIL.
LOL
it's a correct fix, though. 's ok. Pedantic perhaps, but correct.Just so long as you don't teach english grammar to Columbus school children, I'm fine.
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KSquared
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gk wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
KSquared wrote >>
gk wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
I fear this will be another chance for both sides to air the same tired, lame platitudes, and over simplified accusations they have been spouting all along with no more substance then THAN either candidate has yet provided.
Prove me wrong, gentlemen. Prove me wrong.FIXED THAT FOR YOU!
"Fix" FAIL.
LOL
it's a correct fix, though. 's ok. Pedantic perhaps, but correct.Just so long as you don't teach english grammar to Columbus school children, I'm fine.
If you don't teach them how to proofread and correct sentences, I'm fine.
Isn't this thread supposed to be about the debate? A pet peeve thread exists for just this sort of discussion if you really feel the need to post about it.Posted 1 year ago # -
bababoohi
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gk wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
KSquared wrote >>
gk wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
I fear this will be another chance for both sides to air the same tired, lame platitudes, and over simplified accusations they have been spouting all along with no more substance then THAN either candidate has yet provided.
Prove me wrong, gentlemen. Prove me wrong.FIXED THAT FOR YOU!
"Fix" FAIL.
LOL
it's a correct fix, though. 's ok. Pedantic perhaps, but correct.Just so long as you don't teach english grammar to Columbus school children, I'm fine.
Not everone treats posts on CU like an English test. Mistakes are maid. Actually, it's more of a typo then a mistake.
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Rockmastermike
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This thread is now officially even more of a useless train wreck THAN the "debate"
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BCNation
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I'm taking this thread back to topic.
I'm voting for Kasich, and here's why: Jobs. The anti-Democrat trend which began last year in New Jersey and Virginia will make its mark here, because Ohio has lost over 400,000 jobs. Strickland's ads don't even promote the work he's done. I don't think this race is even close, it's like Florida vs. Ohio State in the BCS National Championship close.Posted 1 year ago # -
Roland
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BCNation wrote >>
I'm taking this thread back to topic.
I'm voting for Kasich, and here's why: Jobs. The anti-Democrat trend which began last year in New Jersey and Virginia will make its mark here, because Ohio has lost over 400,000 jobs. Strickland's ads don't even promote the work he's done. I don't think this race is even close, it's like Florida vs. Ohio State in the BCS National Championship close.Wow, I saw that commercial too. Strickland is probably responsible for every other state's job loss as well. Was there a recession or something? Maybe I'll watch for Strickland's commercials and figure out what's going on.
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Rockmastermike
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Roland wrote >>
Wow, I saw that commercial too. Strickland is probably responsible for every other state's job loss as well. Was there a recession or something? Maybe I'll watch for Strickland's commercials and figure out what's going on.yeah, those job loses nationwide cannot possibly be due to the collapse of the entire financial system brought about, in large part, by irresponsible actions of Lehman bros, AIG, Bear Stearns, Merryl Lynch, GM (both the car maker and the banking business that had been propping up the failing carmaker).
Those job losses cannot possibly have ANYTHING to do with the collapse of the entire real estate and land development industry, or the auto industry, or the business lost to the thousands of companies depending upon those industries as the real estate bubble bust.
It cannot possibly be because the repeal of the Glass-Steagal act allowed the banks to develop a huge conflict of interest with mortgage backed securities that allowed the housing bubble to collapse the entire financial industry and remove a few trillion dollars of wealth (on paper) from the U.S. economy (ok I admit this one is vastly oversimplified).
no, it cannot possibly have anything to do with these things. It must be the governors of the States who did it all.
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gramarye
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I think it depends on what "lost" jobs means.
Jobs in manufacturing lost because of the collapse of the automotive sector were beyond any government help. What good is producing parts for cars that aren't being made?
Jobs that are lost to other states, though, are more genuinely within the control of the state government. The state government has a strong influence of the relative business-friendliness of the state. Of course, the governor is only one piece of the state government, but it's a big piece. He's the queen on the chessboard. The rest of the pieces together are more important, but he's more important than any other individual piece.
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Rockmastermike
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gramarye wrote >>
Jobs that are lost to other states, though, are more genuinely within the control of the state government. The state government has a strong influence of the relative business-friendliness of the state. Of course, the governor is only one piece of the state government, but it's a big piece. He's the queen on the chessboard. The rest of the pieces together are more important, but he's more important than any other individual piece.I think the general assembly is likely more of an issue than the gov. But, yeah, I think there is a reason why "jobs lost to other states" is not the statistic that gets cited by that campaign, but only the "total" figure. Seems kind of intelectually dishonest to me.
As far as the overall business friendlyness of the state, after examining the figures cited by both campaigns (kudo's to the dispatch fact checking articles) all I can can conclude is that we're 'bout average and both sides are highlighting the surveys/studies that show what they want. But the fact remains that the tax structure as it currently stands was determined almost entirely by the Taft administration and the republican general assembly and only slightly modified to delay a small part of a projected tax cut.
I also find it to be slightly dishonest that total spending figures for the state are cited by the side saying they want to cut spending without acknowledging that discretionary spending HAS been cut, and that non-discretionary spending vastly outstrips anything that can be cut. And by the same token that the current administration claims that the discretionary sending has been cut 16% while not addressing the increases in non-discretionary spending that are eating holes in the budget (although, what can be done about that, really?).
The fact remains neither side has outlined a clear and reasonable statement about what they propose to DO, and both sides have engaged in half truths and vastly oversimplified accusations hoping that the general public will simply forget the nuances of reality.
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BCNation
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All I'm saying is that if Strickland were against a 10 year old prodigy who had a clear, vivid plan for where he wanted to be the next four years, I'm voting for the 10 year-old. Strickland's campaign four years ago was way better than this one.
Kasich is winning this race, not because some liberals in Clintonville, Olde Towne East, the Short North, or Franklinton are saying he ran Lehman Brothers in a two-man cubicle on Wall Street, but because the rest of the state, especially the rural areas are poor and need jobs, and they believe that the Governor just "didn't get the job(s) done" the last four years.
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columbusyuppie
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BCNation wrote >>
All I'm saying is that if Strickland were against a 10 year old prodigy who had a clear, vivid plan for where he wanted to be the next four years, I'm voting for the 10 year-old. Strickland's campaign four years ago was way better than this one.
Kasich is winning this race, not because some liberals in Clintonville, Olde Towne East, the Short North, or Franklinton are saying he ran Lehman Brothers in a two-man cubicle on Wall Street, but because the rest of the state, especially the rural areas are poor and need jobs, and they believe that the Governor just "didn't get the job(s) done" the last four years.BCNation
Didn't you just graduate from college? What school did you graduate from?
Ted Strickland placed a cap on Ohio's higher education at which was growing up 13% a year. Under Strickland it went up only 3% Our educational system is currently 6th in the nation.
In 2007 the Governors met together to host a Governors cup. This cup goes to the state that creates and retains the most jobs. All three of these years OHIO and Governor Strickland won the cup.
This recession is not an Ohio recession it's GLOBAL, jobs have been lost everywhere, and to be honest Ohio has weathered through this FAR better than most states Florida, and Nevada for example. And both of those states got rid of their income tax. The same income tax Kasich proposes to get rid of which is 43% of our STATE BUDGET. Good bye nice roads, and amenities hello Columbus becomes Cleveland.
And you know how you enjoy riding the COTA bus? Well you'll keep riding it with out alternatives because the Republicans are against the 3-C corridor. How do you plan to take trips to Cleveland if you wanted? COTA doesn't service to Cleveland. The Greyhound takes 3 times longer to get there than it would if you were on a 3-C corridor ride which the Repubs don't even want to allow research to begin.
Under Congressman Kasich he outsourced over 400,000 jobs in which most of Columbus biggest manufacturers lost work i.e. Lucent Technologies, Delphi, Tomasco, etc etc.
This recession was created under people who look out for their Wall Street buddies and cronies and John Kasich is the prime example.
There are jobs in this city, state and country and the jobs forum on CU is the prime example in which people from CU tried to assist you in finding one.
If you don't make $250,000+ than you shouldn't vote for someone who only looks out for those that do PERIOD
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BCNation
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I graduated from college- yes, but the city in my college is in is a heavily Republican town (I don't think I saw an Obama or Strickland sign outside of a one-mile radius of the college in that town), and I grew up/live in a neighborhood that is about 90 to 95 percent Democrat.
Strickland is going to lose, because of the ripple effect (caused by the Tea Party movement) that caused New Jersey's Democrat governor to lose to a Republican challenger in last fall's election.
Yes, I voted for Obama, but like the confusion known as the stimulus, Rome was not built in a day. When FDR was elected the first time around, it took about a year (at least) before things turned around during the Great Depression. But, this is 2010, and NOT 1933. People don't have five years, or five seconds to wait to see results, we're in a time, where if you don't show results right away, it's out you go.
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