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ChrisSunami
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This seems like big news for Barack... as someone (I'm not sure who) said, if a black man can win in (overwhelmingly white) Iowa, he can win in America.
As far as Hillary, her strategy of inevitability seems to have gone awry. She portrayed herself as a juggernaut, and coming in third doesn't work itself well into that narrative.
Edwards, on the other hand, seems to be the person who made the biggest jump forward in terms of coming from behind.
As far as I can tell, however, it doesn't seem like a winner-take-all situation in Iowa. You political-heads out there, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the delegates apportioned proportionally? Given that, a race that ended so close hardly seems like a story of triumphant victory or crushing defeat for anyone who got a decent vote count...

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Brewmaster
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Anyone else watch his speech last night? Pretty amazing stuff. Give this guy a little bit of momentum and a podium, and he's gonna roll.
Afterwards, the talking heads sounded like like 16 year old girls after a Beatles concert.
The speech is probably on YouTube already if you're so inclined.

Posted 4 years ago #
drew

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kitoba wrote This seems like big news for Barack... as someone (I'm not sure who) said, if a black man can win in (overwhelmingly white) Iowa, he can win in America.
There's a quote to that effect here (From ex-Bill Clinton advisor Dick Morris):
http://www.nypost.com/seven/01042008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/analyzing_iowa__two_historic__victories_593345.htm
kitoba wrote Given that, a race that ended so close hardly seems like a story of triumphant victory or crushing defeat for anyone who got a decent vote count...
It's certainly not the end of it all, but it sure sets a favorable precedent for Obama as he rolls into the thick of the primaries. I think Iowa gave the US the stamp of approval that allows subsequent primary voters to take him seriously.
I would expect some really ugly campaign tactics from Clinton and Edwards to emerge soon...

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honavery
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Victory speech.

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greenhouse1014
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I'll bet this will bring the black vote out even stronger. I would say that this would embolden black voters showing them that Barack actually has a serious chance to be considered by white voters.

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gramarye
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Well, I can't say I plan on voting for him when Ohio's turn comes around, but of course, the election will practically be wrapped up by then. I'll admit he's a heck of a public speaker, though, best in the entire field by a long margin.

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BUTerrier
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I had a black friend who brought this up to me and makes me wonder about Barack and the black vote. He was talking about how his mother (50 year old black woman) would not vote for him because of his middle name and going to a muslim school, because she did not trust anyone affiliated with muslims. Now, if you look at the older black generation many of them are conservative when it comes to religious beliefs and many tend to be very very religious (his mother is the stereotypical black church lady). Now as we all know the older people are the ones who vote, and the young people tend to not vote that much. If the church going older black population has this sentiment (and it is not just his mother who feels this way), will he be able to win the black vote?

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Brewmaster
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My uncle (not black) used the same sentiment at Christmas and I openly laughed in his face. It's a shame that people are that uneducated and/or ignorant, but there is definitely a solid population of them in this country.

Posted 4 years ago #
lifeliberty
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hence the electoral college

Posted 4 years ago #
Simon Nelson
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Oh yes, because the electoral college has certainly been great for us recently :roll:
Seriously though, an Obama/Edwards ticket would be awesome.

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Brewmaster
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Simon Nelson wrote Seriously though, an Obama/Edwards ticket would be awesome.
I'm not sure how the VP nomination works exactly (I think it's done during the convention), but if Edwards drops out now, Obama should give him the VP seat. It would be a pretty clear path for Barack if Edwards got out of the way.

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joev
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I don't know if Edwards wants to be a VP nominee again. He had some major issues sticking to Kerry's messages. He seemed to be campaigning more for himself than the ticket in 2004. I'm not sure that Obama would want him, either. Seems like someone with more foreign policy experience, like a Biden or Richardson, would be a better choice for Obama.

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Brewmaster
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joev wrote I don't know if Edwards wants to be a VP nominee again. He had some major issues sticking to Kerry's messages. He seemed to be campaigning more for himself than the ticket in 2004. I'm not sure that Obama would want him, either. Seems like someone with more foreign policy experience, like a Biden or Richardson, would be a better choice for Obama.
He'd definitely be a bad choice, but if he got Edwards to drop out now, it would all but ensure that Obama's name appeared on the democratic ticket in Nov.
Policy wise, Edwards is closer to a communist than Obama is to a traditional democrat.

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shroud
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The benefit of Edwards as VP is the Southern connection that's always been seen as key to a dem getting elected.
Biden and Richardson don't really bring that, even though what they bring to the actual governing table may be more needed... (no, I don't think New Mexico counts as Southern by any stretch of the imagination).
That said, I really think that his association with Kerry's campaign is a big negative for Edwards, either on his own as a candidate or with someone as VP again.
Note that I'm only talking about perception/electability here... since if they don't get elected the type of President/VP they might be is irrelevant anyway.

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Tigertree
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Agreed. Richardson would be a much better choice. He is a big enough name to pull more votes, but no chance of outshining. I think he is someone who would appreciate VP and work harder on account of it. Edwards, I think, would be bitter about it.

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honavery
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I think the big story here overall is the voter turn out. Over 100,000 more people showed up on the democratic side than in 2004. That is a lot! I really think Obama appeals to the younger generation and they will turn out in droves to support him.

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Tigertree
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I will be really surprised if the youth vote matters. I know it was up last time, a little bit, but it seems to be the focus every election and it never pans out.

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Tigertree
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100,000 is a pretty huge number though, I guess someone gets credit for that.

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joev
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Not that the Democrats shouldn't worry about the South, but they only needed one more state to win in 2004 (Ohio). As it looks right now, they're leading in Ohio and Virginia and possibly Florida. So unless the candidate flops too hard... Plus, I think John Edward's brand of politics are less accepted in the South than elsewhere. A team of two one-terms sentors would be dead meat for a Republican ticket with deep experience. (and all the major candidates except Huckabee have it or are perceived to have it (Giuliani.)

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Tigertree
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I think as long as the Huckabee trend continues the Democrats have nothing to worry about. He'll loose New Hampshire though, it will be interesting to see the battle between him and whoever takes it. I really think McCain is the only chance with the general public. This is another example of the evangelicals wrecking an election for the republicans.

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