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Slower speed limit on High St in Clintonville
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StowCbusCleveland
Jackson Township, Canton, OH
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Analogue Kid wrote >>
Columbusite wrote >>
I already said this, but it's good that someone else understands that slower streets like High in the Short North and Worthington, E Main in Bexley, 3rd in German Village and Gay St Downtown all clearly show a high correlation between traffic speeds and thriving businesses.And as we all know, correlation does not make for causation.
I think it's reasonable to believe that speed is a contributing factor.
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hivner1
clintonville
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As a bike commuter, Clintonville is my least favorite stretch to ride. Going Southbound, once you get to Hudson everything is fine. Until then, the ride through Clintonville is quite the test. Similarly, the ride from Hudson northward is the same experience during rush hour.
Slower speeds would encourage more bike commuting and more overall pedestrian traffic, and ultimately more business that would serve a pedestrian community. As much as I love Clintonville and all of its thriving small businesses, there numerous dead spaces begging for revival (old CVille electric for starters).
And yes, to confirm the silly debate, a cop (usually on motorcycle) sits between Longview and Clinton Heights and nabs people who ignore the flashing lights for Clinton Heights elementary. He nabs people almost every day. The only problem is, he is not patrolling, he is just raking in cash. As soon as southbound drivers pass his zone, they speed off as to make up for the time lost driving through the school zone.
This would be a great move and I wholeheartedly endorse it! I want my Clintonville St James!!!
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Columbusite
Minneapolis
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StowCbusCleveland wrote >>
Analogue Kid wrote >>
Columbusite wrote >>
I already said this, but it's good that someone else understands that slower streets like High in the Short North and Worthington, E Main in Bexley, 3rd in German Village and Gay St Downtown all clearly show a high correlation between traffic speeds and thriving businesses.And as we all know, correlation does not make for causation.
I think it's reasonable to believe that speed is a contributing factor.
One only need look Downtown for an example of this. One small block of Gay St saw 90% of new downtown businesses while virtually nothing has happened on the high-speed oneways. Show me just one block out of any of those that has seen an equivalent amount of new businesses and investment. No one can and it'd be foolish to say that the two-way conversion and calming had nothing to do with that. Hell, in the past couple of years there's not much new going on in the northern half of Clintonville, which is much bigger than one block of Gay St by the way and there are some retail spots sitting empty here and there.
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racheltb
clintonville
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From the cyclist perspective, I don't think a speed limit perspective would make high street commuting any more safe. High St in clintonville is so full of street parking, buses, lights, and pedestrians that cycling is difficult because there are so many things vying for attention.
I LOVE that summit and n 4th are one way. Distractions I mentioned above are minimized and cyclists can 'take a lane' without worry. The 35 mph speed doesn't bother me there.
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lisathewaitress
SoHud
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racheltb wrote >>
From the cyclist perspective, I don't think a speed limit perspective would make high street commuting any more safe. High St in clintonville is so full of street parking, buses, lights, and pedestrians that cycling is difficult because there are so many things vying for attention.
I LOVE that summit and n 4th are one way. Distractions I mentioned above are minimized and cyclists can 'take a lane' without worry. The 35 mph speed doesn't bother me there.I am with you. I love that Summit & 4th are one way. sometimes i am surprised by how fast people go, but there are plenty of red light cameras, and the lights are timed so that if you go the speed limit, you will hit the greens. if you speed, you will get stopped by a light.
I don't like the ideas of medians. right-in entries and exits would businesses, i would think, and it seems as though it would create huge traffic snarls on high street, like we need that.
I don't think it would matter one way or the other if the speed limit changed. i feel like i hit every single light driving that stretch, so i don't see what the point would be.
Lastly, creating medians would probably mean a lot more people cutting through neighborhoods, especially if you can't turn left from High street. Gay street has nothing to do with High street. Gay was never a major thoroughfare. High is our Main St, and I can't imagine if you couldn't turn left and could only turn right into businesses. Imagine how frustrating that would be for tourists, especially when they get lost and can't figure out how to turn around.
All in all, it seems like a pretty bad idea. It would cost a ton of money for what, really.
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MFRONE
Lakewood
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I just moved away from Clintonville (where I lived for 3 years) and I would fully support a change in the speed limit on N Broadway from 315 to Indianola. I can't tell you how many people go at least 50 on that road and completely ignore the blatant posted speed limits. They do have a speed trap setup from time to time near 315 (as mentioned) but it has done nothing to deter the speeders from continuing.
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lifeontwowheels
Highland West
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racheltb wrote >>
From the cyclist perspective, I don't think a speed limit perspective would make high street commuting any more safe. High St in clintonville is so full of street parking, buses, lights, and pedestrians that cycling is difficult because there are so many things vying for attention.
I LOVE that summit and n 4th are one way. Distractions I mentioned above are minimized and cyclists can 'take a lane' without worry. The 35 mph speed doesn't bother me there.I'm split. Love the one ways in and around downtown for riding, for the reasons you mention. It would be great-if we don't see anything change on those-to at least make one lane a bus and bike only lane.
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agtw31
columbus
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MFRONE wrote >>
I just moved away from Clintonville (where I lived for 3 years) and I would fully support a change in the speed limit on N Broadway from 315 to Indianola. I can't tell you how many people go at least 50 on that road and completely ignore the blatant posted speed limits. They do have a speed trap setup from time to time near 315 (as mentioned) but it has done nothing to deter the speeders from continuing.lower the speed limit,and people will still go 50.
the ticket they eventually get will just say a different speed limit on it.
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LBOWACC
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cc wrote >>
agtw31 wrote
lower the speed limit,and people will still go 50.
the ticket they eventually get will just say a different speed limit on it.Going 50 in a 25 is a fairly serious ticket...
yea not really. courts do not taking speeding serious, even if a lot of you do. Most rational people realize that people speed. End of story.
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mfreeman
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I don't think that lowering the speed limit would slow the traffic on High Street. At busy times there is too much traffic to enable getting up to the existing limit anyway; the rest of the time I doubt that lowering the limit would reduce actual driving speed.
IMHO, business there suffers more from the lack of available parking than the speed of traffic. There's no point in making people drive slower if there is nowhere for them to park when they see something interesting that they'd like to explore.
Personally, I'd prefer to see the High/N. Broadway intersection turned into a traffic circle. That would let the "through traffic" get out of the way of the people who want to window shop from their cars. Making cars sit at a long light doesn't make people want to shop, it makes them want to drive faster to make up the time lost at the light. Especially after business hours.
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PompousAss
Clintonville
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Having lived in Clintonville for going on 4 years now, I'm a little confused as to why people would be so against a decreased speed limit. If a 10 mph decrease is going to mess up someones commute that much, I would refer them to 2 other roads which move in the same general direction, I have frequent exits, have 65 mph speed limits, and are designed for high speed traffic, I-71 and Rt. 315.
If any road in Clintonville were going to go on a "road diet" I would rather have it be Indianola between Hudson and North Broadway. I would say its the norm and not the exception for cars to be going 40-50 mph during rush hour and I have never once seen someone pulled over. I'm not saying it has never happened, just saying I've never seen it.
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LBOWACC wrote
yea not really. courts do not taking speeding serious, even if a lot of you do. Most rational people realize that people speed. End of story.$166 plus 2 points for first offense. There will probably be a lot of cherry picking when it first passes.
Personally, I don't see this change as a big deal. The difference between going the distance at 25 as opposed to 35 is roughly 90 seconds. It seems the intent is more enforcement on the more flagrant speeders.
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JaredThompson
Manhattan Beach, CA
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I have completed many training runs on High Streets sidewalks from downtown and through Clintonville. The volume of activity on High Street can make for great sightseeing and an excellent distraction for those days when I need extra motivation.
I rarely feel threatened by traffic speed because I almost always feel "protected" by parked cars.
It is the drivers on the cross streets that frighten me.
The difference I see between downtown, Short North and Clintonville is that drivers making right turns onto High Street in downtown and Short North tend to check the sidewalk for pedestrians before turning. Maybe it is due to sidewalk marking or something. I don't want to speculate on that without having data.
I've never felt threatened by a speeding motorist on High Street, but I have had a number of close calls with drivers making a right-hand turn onto High Street, without ever looking to their RIGHT! (that's right red cavalier in a hurry to turn right from McDonalds, you know what I mean).
It's odd, most of my near misses have occurred in Clintonville. I'm not a traffic engineer, but I don't think High Street traffic speed is to blame. My gut tells me there is another reason, but I honestly don't know what it is.
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agtw31
columbus
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what is the deal with car speed suddenly being a factor whether or not a business succeeds on High st.in Clintonville?
if the speed limit goes down to 25,and businesses on High st. in Clintonville don't see an improvement in business,what are you going to say then?
people are walking too fast?
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michaelcoyote
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I say make the speed limit 50, but put a speed bump every 30 yards.
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10sun
Columbus, OH
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LBOWACC wrote >>
cc wrote >>
agtw31 wrote
lower the speed limit,and people will still go 50.
the ticket they eventually get will just say a different speed limit on it.Going 50 in a 25 is a fairly serious ticket...
yea not really. courts do not taking speeding serious, even if a lot of you do. Most rational people realize that people speed. End of story.
Reckless Operation isn't as simple as a speeding ticket and that is what is being described. If convicted you can lose your license from 6 months to 3 years... not a good thing.
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manticore33
Delaware, OH
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Does anyone have a study about the correlation of speed limits to speeding? For instance, would a 10 mph drop bring the intended benefits? Because if it is 25 mph, never enforced, I'd probably still go 30-35 mph. :)
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Mister MooCow
Near Mooney's Mansion
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manticore33 wrote >>
Does anyone have a study about the correlation of speed limits to speeding? For instance, would a 10 mph drop bring the intended benefits? Because if it is 25 mph, never enforced, I'd probably still go 30-35 mph. :)That's the problem. People are speeding now (and by speeding, I mean 45+ mph down high street). The proposed "solution" is to lower the speed limit. So, now all of us who travel at 35 because that's the speed limit are either going to be penalized by having to now go 25 or are going to be turned into criminals.
Meanwhile, those who speed will continue to speed.
It's brilliant, brilliant, I tell you!
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