Pablo
Crestview Addition
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There's a proposal to lower the speed limit on High St. and North Broadway to 25mph:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/02/26/clintonville-seeks-slower-pace-on-high.html?sid=101
I've gone back and forth on this for a while and now I think it's a good idea. I think Weber and Hudson should be included too. Any thoughts?
lifeliberty
Here
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I hope it doesn't change.
Cookie
Flyntonville
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"What we hear from residents in the neighborhood is High Street is still not pedestrian friendly," said Mike McLaughlin, a commission member.
I have lived on High Street on Clintonville for years and have never once felt that it was not pedestrian friendly.
manticore33
Delaware, OH
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Maybe they should do temporary speed limit changes like in Harrison West. :)
Columbus Music Co-op
Columbus
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i would prefer weber, broaday, high, indianola (the big streets) stay 35.
agtw31
columbus
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berdawn wrote >>
How about actual enforcement? I'd be OK with summit/4th remaining as is if drivers went the speed limit (which is 35 btw, not 50)
i don't know why idiots fly down Summit or Fourth st.
you get slowed down by the lights anyway.
as for High st,you can't do 35 because of the frigging traffic.
you have a motorcycle cop on Broadway down by the river,he sits right in the middle of the road with his radar gun.
people are getting nailed for speeding down there all the time.
Columbus Music Co-op
Columbus
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that's interesting. i have lived in clintonville for 5 years, drive that stretch of north broadway several times a day almost every day and have never seen a cop there...
jennyw
Clintonville
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I would prefer they stay 35 as well. The only time I felt High Street wasn't pedestrian-friendly was when a driver, driving at 11 p.m. with no lights, turned onto High, almost taking me and my dog (crossing the street at the time) out in the process. A speed limit change won't help with that sort of thing.
I've never understood the people who haul ass on Summit/Fourth. I go 36 (technically speeding, yes, I know) and hit all green lights.
Columbus Music Co-op
Columbus
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groundrules
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Respect your elders, yo.
lifeliberty
Here
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the cop busts lots of people exiting 315N to N Broadway E. be careful around there.(by the river)
Seems to me that Broadway and Weber are 25mph anyways. or so it seems since I always seem to get stuck behind some slow bastard who either thinks it is a 25 mph zone, or who wants it to be a 25mph zone.
Columbus Music Co-op
Columbus
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what i wish they would really enforce are the no parking zones on indianola from 4-6...
Columbusite
Minneapolis
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These quotes from the article sum up the problem.
But it's unlikely that city officials would approve a neighborhood-wide speed limit. They never have, said Rick Tilton, assistant public service director."The city studies one street at a time," Tilton said. "It's not a case of one size fits all."
And the Ohio Department of Transportation must approve any speed limit change.
On the Northwest Side, residents were unsuccessful last year in getting the city to reduce the speed limit on Olentangy River Road from 45 mph to 35 mph between Rt. 161 and Bethel Road."We knew it wasn't easy going in," said Jennifer Adair, who leads the Northwest Civic Association.
Searcy said she knows the city is reluctant to reduce speed limits.
This flies in the face of the so-called complete streets which the city just adopted. Why is a one-size-fits-all approach not acceptable for slowing speeds, but it's just fine for the city to design/redesign streets to be faster? Of course they're going to say a lower speed limit won't work; they designed it not to be slower!
I already said this, but it's good that someone else understands that slower streets like High in the Short North and Worthington, E Main in Bexley, 3rd in German Village and Gay St Downtown all clearly show a high correlation between traffic speeds and thriving businesses. People on CU and non-CU Columbus residents not only don't complain about the speeds, but they don't complain about all the destinations on these streets where they spend their money. Slower, denser stretches are able to maximize their potential whereas faster (car-oriented, anti-pedestrian/cyclist) stretches of commercial streets simply can't. Successful urban businesses need a good urban environment.
Unfortunately missing as the most important piece of the puzzle is the fact that the road itself needs to be redesigned, not just signed. Street design, not signs, are the key to a slower street. A common problem among neighborhood associations/commissions is that they aren't savvy about good urbanism and how transportation fits in with that. If they did, they would be pushing for narrowing High St along denser stretches of commercial blocks in Clintonville. Real curb bump outs like those in front of Nancy's, not like those on E Long in KL or N 4th in IV, and medians like those on Gay with crosswalks that pass through them and provide a safe halfway point would go a long way. The most expensive additions would be some more traffic signals. North of Broadway they are spaced out further apart encouraging speeding motor traffic and discouraging pedestrian activity which results in discouraging entrepreneurs from opening an urban business.
If all of those measures were taken it would probably end up with traffic moving around 30MPH regardless of what ODOT says.
markc
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From page 47 of the Clintonville Plan (http://development.columbus.gov/Asset/iu_files/PlanList/Clintonville_Neighborhood_Plan.pdf):
Planted medians should be considered at the following locations on High Street and Indianola Avenue: High Street south of Kelso Road; High Street between Como and Longview avenues; High Street between Longview and Clinton Heights avenues; High Street between Orchard Lane and Dunedin Road; High Street north of Graceland Boulevard; Indianola Avenue between Milford and Melrose avenues. The installation of medians consequently may result in right-in and right-out only access for businesses. Other locations may also be deemed appropriate, such as at the commercial node north of Weber Road and at appropriate locations on Indianola Avenue north of North Broadway Street to Morse Road.
High Street should be considered for a “Road Diet†in order to slow traffic to the speed limit and allow for the possible inclusion of additional parking and/or bicycle facilities.
At signalized intersections with high pedestrian use, crosswalks should be provided and delineated with
an alternative pavement material, such as brick or textured/colored pavement (as appropriate), and utilize
timers, enhanced signage, or bumpouts where feasible. Crosswalks will be provided at the safest crossing locations at intersections, therefore pedestrian crossings are sometimes prohibited on certain crossing legs.
kcrissinger
Brookshire
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Speed is a problem throughout the entire City. I don't think changing the speed limit to 25 on a major street does anyone any good. Many residential streets on which the speed limit is 25 often go without enforcement for extended periods, i.e. Demorest Ave in the Westgate area. The speed limit should stay as is on High St.
Analogue Kid
5th by West-Northwest
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Columbusite wrote >>
I already said this, but it's good that someone else understands that slower streets like High in the Short North and Worthington, E Main in Bexley, 3rd in German Village and Gay St Downtown all clearly show a high correlation between traffic speeds and thriving businesses.
And as we all know, correlation does not make for causation.
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