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Equality isn't a "view." Treating someone as a human isn't a "view." Having empathy isn't a "view." It's not a political party or some other bullshit - it's why most of us have been given the ability to feel emotions, like compassion.
And right there, you lost me.
10sun
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1. not your son or brother, how insightful, because if he was my guess is you would probably be grieving right now
2. but he was someones son or brother and someone is grieving right now because of bullies
3. do you have younger siblings, would you let others pick on your siblings or would you stand up
4. seriously, you could tell the parents of this kid that it is entirely his own fault for not being mentally tough enough
1. Gee, you are smrt.
2. Seriously, you must have PHD in human behavioral sciences! That is an astounding observation!
3. I don't blindly defend or follow people. I get the information and stop the problem before it escalates though. That is something that happens on a regular basis with my family.
4. I said nothing about the voyeurs being without any fault nor did I say a thing about the victim being "mentally tough enough". I took a look at the time line of the events that have been reported keeping in mind the suicide ideation process and the time line indicates that the victim thought about what he was going to do and then he did it. That to me is the opposite of being "mentally weak".
I don't understand your attempts to polarize my words and place the words into my arguments. So let me reiterate and simplify what I have said:
A. The voyeurs should be charged with a criminal act beyond invasion of privacy.
B. The victim made his decision to take his own life.
C. This wouldn't be as large of a deal had the victim been heterosexual.
We do not have a full and accurate account of what has happened with the school's administration between the time of the victim discovering the roommate's second attempt at voyeurism and his suicide. There is a period of 24 hours in which emotions were escalated further bringing Tyler to the unfortunate decision to kill himself.
coolbuckeye
Weinland Park
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Twixlen, Talcott, Cookie, Bman and others who stand up for all people who are bullied. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am humbled to tears as I write this because of the genuine empathy you show. As a gay teen I lived through hell and made it out alive. I kept my true self to myself but people could tell anyway. I had no one to turn to, I felt less than human, humiliated, beaten (physically & emotionally). Time and the ability to be financially independent of my family have made life exponentially better. There is still hate (as seen on this thread) but people like you restore my theory that there are truly good people out there. Thank you, Omar
berdawn
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coolbuckeye wrote >>
Twixlen, Talcott, Cookie, Bman and others who stand up for all people who are bullied. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I am humbled to tears as I write this because of the genuine empathy you show. As a gay teen I lived through hell and made it out alive. I kept my true self to myself but people could tell anyway. I had no one to turn to, I felt less than human, humiliated, beaten (physically & emotionally). Time and the ability to be financially independent of my family have made life exponentially better. There is still hate (as seen on this thread) but people like you restore my theory that there are truly good people out there. Thank you, Omar
You should really consider making an "it gets better" video.
coolbuckeye
Weinland Park
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LOL. Yah I've been thinking of doing one.
coolbuckeye
Weinland Park
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There is a group in town that supports GLBT youth. That is really doing a great job. http://www.kycohio.org/
I wish there was a group like this when I was a kid.
Roland
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Suicides within a family are gut wrenching. I'm glad to see so many people finding the action's leading to death repulsive.
I hate knowing that people are living such tormented lives that death appears to be their only relief. Bigotry should not be tolerated.
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10sun wrote >>
We do not have a full and accurate account of what has happened with the school's administration between the time of the victim discovering the roommate's second attempt at voyeurism and his suicide. There is a period of 24 hours in which emotions were escalated further bringing Tyler to the unfortunate decision to kill himself.
That's a good point. Considering the lag time, there very well could be other as yet unreported factors involved.
michaelcoyote
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rus wrote >>
10sun wrote >>
We do not have a full and accurate account of what has happened with the school's administration between the time of the victim discovering the roommate's second attempt at voyeurism and his suicide. There is a period of 24 hours in which emotions were escalated further bringing Tyler to the unfortunate decision to kill himself.That's a good point. Considering the lag time, there very well could be other as yet unreported factors involved.
I really doubt that having a video of his makeout session out on the internet helped his mood tremendously.
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JoeMitchell wrote >>
1. not your son or brother, how insightful, because if he was my guess is you would probably be grieving right now
2. but he was someones son or brother and someone is grieving right now because of bullies
3. do you have younger siblings, would you let others pick on your siblings or would you stand up
4. seriously, you could tell the parents of this kid that it is entirely his own fault for not being mentally tough enough1. Gee, you are smrt.
2. Seriously, you must have PHD in human behavioral sciences! That is an astounding observation!
3. I don't blindly defend or follow people. I get the information and stop the problem before it escalates though. That is something that happens on a regular basis with my family.
4. I said nothing about the voyeurs being without any fault nor did I say a thing about the victim being "mentally tough enough". I took a look at the time line of the events that have been reported keeping in mind the suicide ideation process and the time line indicates that the victim thought about what he was going to do and then he did it. That to me is the opposite of being "mentally weak".
I don't understand your attempts to polarize my words and place the words into my arguments. So let me reiterate and simplify what I have said:
A. The voyeurs should be charged with a criminal act beyond invasion of privacy.
B. The victim made his decision to take his own life.
C. This wouldn't be as large of a deal had the victim been heterosexual.
We do not have a full and accurate account of what has happened with the school's administration between the time of the victim discovering the roommate's second attempt at voyeurism and his suicide. There is a period of 24 hours in which emotions were escalated further bringing Tyler to the unfortunate decision to kill himself.
I prefer the term captain obvious, your sarcasm is noted
I have skimmed most of the posts, so it may have been missed, but I did not see other than the mention in the most recent above, were you are assigning any responsibility to the agitators
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rus wrote >>
10sun wrote >>
We do not have a full and accurate account of what has happened with the school's administration between the time of the victim discovering the roommate's second attempt at voyeurism and his suicide. There is a period of 24 hours in which emotions were escalated further bringing Tyler to the unfortunate decision to kill himself.That's a good point. Considering the lag time, there very well could be other as yet unreported factors involved.
I really doubt that having a video of his makeout session out on the internet helped his mood tremendously.
No doubt... but that lag time doesn't indicate an overriding impulse.
Last guy I knew who killed himself was in a drunken screaming match with the latest woman he knocked up. In the middle of all this, he apparently decided to "show her". He got a .45 and blew his head off in front of her.
So, the lag time between event and action in this case gives me pause. At least, it suggests there might be other factors at play.
Doesn't excuse the scumbags with cameras, of course.
Cookie
Flyntonville
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rus wrote >>
No doubt... but that lag time doesn't indicate an overriding impulse.
A what now? Some people commit suicide impulsively. Some people do it after a great deal of thought.
Last guy I knew who killed himself was in a drunken screaming match with the latest woman he knocked up. In the middle of all this, he apparently decided to "show her". He got a .45 and blew his head off in front of her.
So, the lag time between event and action in this case gives me pause. At least, it suggests there might be other factors at play.
Your tendency to use anecdotes to argue generalities is tiresome and intellectually weak.
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rus wrote >>
No doubt... but that lag time doesn't indicate an overriding impulse.A what now? Some people commit suicide impulsively. Some people do it after a great deal of thought.
Last guy I knew who killed himself was in a drunken screaming match with the latest woman he knocked up. In the middle of all this, he apparently decided to "show her". He got a .45 and blew his head off in front of her.
So, the lag time between event and action in this case gives me pause. At least, it suggests there might be other factors at play.
Your tendency to use anecdotes to argue generalities is tiresome and intellectually weak.
Awww... thank you. Glad it's having the desired effect.
joev
Merion Village
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Cookie wrote >>
rus wrote >>
No doubt... but that lag time doesn't indicate an overriding impulse.A what now? Some people commit suicide impulsively. Some people do it after a great deal of thought.
Last guy I knew who killed himself was in a drunken screaming match with the latest woman he knocked up. In the middle of all this, he apparently decided to "show her". He got a .45 and blew his head off in front of her.
So, the lag time between event and action in this case gives me pause. At least, it suggests there might be other factors at play.
Your tendency to use anecdotes to argue generalities is tiresome and intellectually weak.
I agree with you on that point, Cookie, but with rus on his major point. None of us knows enough about the circumstances of this case to judge the issue. Those who claim to have it all figured out are coming from a good place, I'm sure, but it's not helping anything to jump to conclusions. One of the great things about America is that we're presumed innocent until proven guilty.
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Cookie wrote
... in a court of law. In the court of public opinion, these two are fucked.
Court of public opinion my ass. This story will be over in a few more news cycles.
Basically what the weak kid did was ruin the rest of his parents' lives with anguish and sorrow and offed himself-- which changes nothing. With new news happening minute-by-minute, he will be forgotten about by the press in a matter of days.
KSquared
Literally Hell
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BG wrote >>
Talcott wrote
That just might be the most disgusting post I've read on the internet in a long time.
As a heterosexual guy, I can't imagine any reason why I'd have an issue with a gay guy living in my room. Hell, my gay friends all would have made better roommates than the ones I had.
And even then, are you seriously saying that straight guys have a right to have sex in their own room, but if you're gay then you should be hiding it? It's not like his roommate was in the room at the time (video camera excluded). It's college. Your roommate is going to have sex in your dorm room. There's really no way around it.
If you're not involved, and everything's consensual, what does it matter who anyone chooses to have sex with?
And that's not even getting into your "mental weakness" theory, which is almost cartoonishly offensive enough to make me think this whole post is just trolling.
And maybe it is. I generally make a habit not to feed the trolls, and not to jump in on these issues, but of all the arguments we have on this board, I have never been as offended as I was when I read that.
Awwww, your feelings are hurt. The way I see it you have two problems now. You are offended, and I am extremely apathetic toward you being offended.
Look, whether you like it or not, alot of people still find homosexuality a little weird. I'm not saying they don't have the right to do what they do behind closed doors, but many have the right to speak out against it as well.
In this case, the kid obviously was scared to death (literally) of being "outed". So why not take steps to protect yourself if you are so concerned? Maybe take the tryst elsewhere?
The kid killed himself - suicide is an act of mental weakness. He allowed others to affect himself so much that he took his own life......how f'in stupid. He took the easy way out. Too bad for the parents.
I don't get why would anyone want to "speak out against it". Do they really care what other people do behind closed doors, or are they just following the tenets of their religion? I am genuinely curious why you or they would care and what "right" others have to cast aspersions.
michaelcoyote
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