Cookie wrote >>
blammo wrote >>
THE SUBURBS KICKED MY DOG
As someone who sees the Short North as a theme park, I'd appreciate it if you turned your dog into a ride.
GhettoBuddha wrote >>
whats the view from the Circles like anyway? Sounds pretty exclusive to me.
I'm curious as to how you think the establishment, and the people who work for it, systematically discriminate between people in the neighborhood and those from the suburbs when deciding on how to treat customers.
For what it's worth, though I think there have been some things at the management level that have puzzled me about the place (at the level of design, overall philosophy, and so on), I've always found the professional standard set by the staff to be very high, and in most cases truly exceptional. Don's experience really surprises me.
Sure is. I think everyone should boycott Gallery Hop and go have dinner at Bob Evans instead... or go to a festival with a cover charge... or go to Eastland Mall...
Chef Drew, do your thing! Thanks for your contribution to the development and vibrancy of the Short North.
I love to watch how threads devolve in interesting patterns.
P.S. Andrew, whats the view from the Circles like anyway? Sounds pretty exclusive to me.
Walking distance from Rosendale's, funny enough. My son even goes to school spitting distance from. Ooops.
A destination restaurant survives by being a destination restaurant, not a neighborhood one. That is the way all over. In this economy, that is a tough sell and the restaurant made mistakes in that ambition. It also failed to leverage the logical brand extension of Details.
I am sorry you felt you were treated less than welcoming there. I am led to suspect you went in with a chip on your shoulder and not giving them a chance though. We walked there often. Even more, all three of us (incl child) have lashed our bikes outside and walked in with helmets and very casual attire. We were never treated any less welcome.
A successful city integrates all levels of economic activity. The best neighborhoods (commercially) are the ones where you walk past the high-end restaurant you might go to once/year on your way to the 'quick bite and beer' place and all are doing well.
I drive past 3 to 5 coffee shops depending on how I make my way towards Luck Bros.
So, it is great for YOU to drive into other neighborhoods to get something special YOU want, but not acceptable for other people to drive into YOUR neighborhood for something special they want.
Can we please end the bickering before it gets worse?
It's Friday! It stopped raining (for now)!
I think this just shows how out of touch Chef Rosendale was with the people in Columbus and with his restaurant. I have to wonder. Did he not look at the receipts to his own restaurants?
If you have a Chef who is leaving pull two 6-top tasting sittings a night for 3-4 weeks once the word gets out that he's leaving, and you don't notice this, then you're not paying attention. You have a bar pulling people in on a slow night for the food and a restaurant that is empty for most of the night. How does an Exec Chef not see this?
They see my yard as something to be trampled on as they park on the permit only side streets in a rush to get to that great restaurant. I have not been a fan of Rosendales since day one, but I gave them two chances to win me over and they failed miserably. They looked at me a someone who "walked" in and was not dropped off out front by the valet.
As a server, I never know if a table has valet parked or not, and I couldn't care less.
Also, I work at a restaurant which does cater to the neighborhood, and has valet *specifically* so that people won't park in the neighborhood and take up spaces for those who live there.
I can understand the frustration of living in the Short North because it can be irritating with all of the tourists (i used to live there), however that is a huge part of what you chose when you chose to move to that neighborhood.
lets be honest here.... who gets there yard trampled outside of comfest and i would bet its rare during comfest unless you live within a few blocks of the park. tired of that excuse, its not valid.
I'll miss him. I don't think anyone could argue that through his competing in the Bocuse d'Or and Culinary Olympics, he has raised the profile of Columbus' food scene.
Hopefully the restaurant maintains its quality and he keeps an active role in the Columbus food scene and its menu.
On it being bad for the neighborhood, that is ridiculous. Much of the reason the property values of the Short North (and I.V. + V.V.) weathered this bubble are luxuries like being able to walk to Rosendale's and Rigsby's have kept the demand strong.
The latest word I've heard (via Twitter) is that RR will remain on as Exec and be in house one weekend a month. The Sous Chef will take over day to day operations..
A Round of Wild Bean Burgers
I think itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s unfortunate that he is leaving. I have been to his restaurant several times and I have always enjoyed the experience.
I want to say that the failings (if that is the case) are purely economical. The economy sucks and the place is not cheap. I think for him to completely alter the style and concept of the restaurant to cater to a crowd with less financial means wound have been devastating to the initial model behind the restaurant. Is it better to close and move on to avoid having to turn into a family-style turn-and-burn style restaurant just to stay open? ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s debatable, but I would say itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s better to close and hold on to your ideals.
What concerns me more are the people who are arguing that he under-estimated the Columbus market or want to make comments that high-end restaurants, clubs, etc. are in some way unnecessary, unneeded or unwanted in our little area of the world. It is that mentally that is forcing outsiders to view Columbus as a college town full of corn-fed Midwest folks that care about nothing but Buckeye football and finding a cheap place to kick back bud lights; and as someone who relocated to this city for elsewhere, that is the common perception, if they even know anything about the city at all. Is there anything wrong with that having those ideals? I will not go as far to that but I feel most people here would like to see Columbus move past that image and reap the rewards that come with being viewed as a metropolitan city. I think weÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re doing a good job. When my friends visit from back east they are always amazed how different the city is from the expectations they had developed. In order to continue this progression we need nice restaurants, nice bar/clubs, and so on. And yes, many of those places require a certain level of exclusivity and cost many people seem to want to condemn. We need to support [the idea of] places that cater to a different clientele than our personal tastes and financial means may allow and stop putting out the opinion that anything thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s too-expensive, too upscale, or whatever is in some way not meant for this town or stupid. And that goes for restaurants, valets, VIP areas, whatever.
Okay, sorry about the rant folksÃ¢â‚¬Â¦
Neil Jaye wrote >>
I want to say that the failings (if that is the case) are purely economical. The economy sucks and the place is not cheap.
You can say the same thing about Rigsby's that's more or less across the street and they're not going out of business.
While I'm sure the economy had something to do with it, my understanding is that there were other things going on in the restaurant that led them to this point.
Neil Jaye wrote >>
I think for him to completely alter the style and concept of the restaurant to cater to a crowd with less financial means wound have been devastating to the initial model behind the restaurant. Is it better to close and move on to avoid having to turn into a family-style turn-and-burn style restaurant just to stay open? ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s debatable, but I would say itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s better to close and hold on to your ideals.
I think it's possible to do fine dining in this city without becoming a "family-style turn-and-burn style restaurant". See Rigsbys, Basi, G. Michael's, The Refectory, DeepWood and others..
Neil Jaye wrote >>
What concerns me more are the people who are arguing that he under-estimated the Columbus market or want to make comments that high-end restaurants, clubs, etc. are in some way unnecessary, unneeded or unwanted in our little area of the world.
I'm not sure where you're headed with this Neil.
As far as I can see it's one person that had a problem with Rosendale's, and while I can't really tell what that person had a problem with other than they felt slighted in some way by the staff, they're not calling for a sports bar or applebee's to be put in either.
I think that most of the people here, even if they never set foot in Rosendale's or Details understand that there is a market for fine dining in Columbus.
Never went into the Rosendale's side, but REALLY enjoyed Details the one time I went in. The bartender was friendly, the old fashioned was one of the best I've had, and the food was very very solid.
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