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i know people that have worked there.
you are going to be one mad mf'er when you see your check
after union dues are taken out
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lifeontwowheels
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cheap said:
i know people that have worked there.you are going to be one mad mf'er when you see your check
after union dues are taken out
What do you honestly care? I'm not pro or anti union, I just wanted a decent job that fit my needs and would eventually let me pursue other things. I knew it was union going in and I made the choice when they offered me a position. If I didn't want to be in the union I could have applied to Fed Ex or any other job in the fucking city.
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gramarye said:
Also, the notion that unions are somehow the guarantors of middle-class existence (rather than one of the major influences behind pushing companies overseas and into automating work) is seriously questionable in today's world (and I'm not convinced of the truth of that thesis even 60 years ago, but that's moot at this point).While I'm personally on the fence regarding unions, I would disagree with the unions-are-to-blame for automation point. As a former long-time employee at Honda, which has always been non-union, my experience is that they are constantly innovating automated equipment designed to replace humans - and not just a body here an there, but equipment/systems that can replace dozens of people per shift. Automation isn't created due to unions or their demands, but has many other benefits for a company with manpower reduction, union and non-union alike, just being one of them. Non-stop operation, quality-consistency, ease of modification (vs retraining humans), cost to repair, (vs humans), etc to list a few.
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lifeontwowheels
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pez said:
Typically 2.5 x hourly rate /month. + $150 initiation.That's what I was just reading elsewhere. Considering I pay around $120/month for healthcare through my ft employer, I always chalked up future union dues (which would be much less) as basically paying for the healthcare.
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ehill27
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howatzer said:
That's the wonderful thing about having states - they give you a good sample from which to test such beliefs.... Conclusion: Unionization doesn't really matter to either income or unemployment rates at the state level.I think the stats warrant deeper analysis that this.
Unions were created out of necessity by folks driven to the brink. Driven so far that they risked it all to form them. Without unions, I see no reason why business wouldn't push folks to back the brink. Thus recreating the cycle to demand fairness through the power of the mass bargaining.
I'd like to believe that unions aren't necessary, but I see no evidence to be hopeful for such a utopian world.
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howatzer
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ehill27 said:
I think the stats warrant deeper analysis that this.Unions were created out of necessity by folks driven to the brink. Driven so far that they risked it all to form them. Without unions, I see no reason why business wouldn't push folks to back the brink. Thus recreating the cycle to demand fairness through the power of the mass bargaining.
I'd like to believe that unions aren't necessary, but I see no evidence to be hopeful for such a utopian world.
If you mean the "I believe it so, so it must be so" analysis, I'll let you keep pursuing that. Ill stick to the data.
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howatzer
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CooperGuy said:
While I'm personally on the fence regarding unions, I would disagree with the unions-are-to-blame for automation point. As a former long-time employee at Honda, which has always been non-union, my experience is that they are constantly innovating automated equipment designed to replace humans - and not just a body here an there, but equipment/systems that can replace dozens of people per shift. Automation isn't created due to unions or their demands, but has many other benefits for a company with manpower reduction, union and non-union alike, just being one of them. Non-stop operation, quality-consistency, ease of modification (vs retraining humans), cost to repair, (vs humans), etc to list a few.And most importantly, you can just throw an obsolete machine on the scrap heap and you won't need to pay it a pension for 20+ years.
I agree that unionization and automation are not necessarily coupled - even chinese workers are losing jobs to automation.
But also keep in mind that automation doesn't destroy labor - it may destroy particular (typically low-skilled) jobs, but that labor is then free to do other things. If automation destroyed labor, unemployment rates should have been decreasing steadily for that past 200 years.
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myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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I worked for Ups for six years in the nineties. Union dues on part time work were twenty/month. I had full medical as a part timer as of thirty days in. By the time I left, I was free to work however many extra hours I wanted on other shifts and was pulling down about 30k given full time hours for a part time employee.
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pez
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ehill27 said:
I think the stats warrant deeper analysis that this.Unions were created out of necessity by folks driven to the brink.
And much like the trade guilds that preceeded them, in some cases they were a mechanism of racism (and nepotism) by having closed shop agreements and preventing various minorities and others from the membership required through the union charter and constitution.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=323&invol=192
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ehill27
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pez said:
And much like the trade guilds that preceeded them, in some cases they were a mechanism of racism (and nepotism) by having closed shop agreements and preventing various minorities and others from the membership required through the union charter and constitution.http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=323&invol=192
Interesting and sad, but wildly irrelevant to the point at hand.
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pez
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ehill27 said:
Interesting and sad, but wildly irrelevant to the point at hand.It's absolutely relevent when you're rewriting history as a basis for your argument.
I have no skin in the game and could care less whether we are RTW or not. I do think that for professions where there is high skill, limited market (ie. airline pilot) or dangerous jobs, you'd be dumb not to be unionized.
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gramarye
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lifeontwowheels said:
I haven't hit union status yet but I've been told they aren't much.In which case you would most likely voluntarily join the union even if it weren't mandatory, and that's fine. If unions keep their dues reasonable and their level of service and responsiveness to their members high, then more power to them.
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Ohioans like ‘right-to-work’ idea, poll says
By Darrel Rowland
The Columbus Dispatch
Tuesday February 14, 2012 12:32 PM
Ohio should become the nation’s 24th “right-to-work state,” voters in a new poll declare. By a 14-point margin – 50 percent to 36 percent – participants in the Quinnipiac Poll say the Buckeye State should join Indiana in making it more difficult to mandate union membership. The poll comes less than four months after Ohio voters crushed Senate Bill 5 by 23 points in a referendum on slashing public employee union rights.
READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/02/14/ohioans-like-right-to-work-idea-poll-says.htmlPosted 3 months ago # -
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“We Are Ohio” Stays Together To Fight Right-To-Work Amendment
March 13, 2012
by Bill Cohen
Ohio Public Radio Statehouse Reporter
Remember that labor-backed group that helped convince Ohio voters last year to repeal a new law that slashed the negotiating clout of public employee unions? The group, “We are Ohio,” says it’s sticking together to wage a fight against another proposal that could cut union power. Statehouse correspondent Bill Cohen reports it may not be this year, but sometime in the next couple years, another bitter ideological fight is looming.
READ MORE: http://beta.wosu.org/news/2012/03/13/we-are-ohio-stays-together-to-fight-right-to-work-amendment/Posted 2 months ago # -
bayrea
Dublin, Oh
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I think employees should have a right to chose if they want to be part of a union or not. I too worked for UPS for 7 years during the 90's. I was both union and management during that time. My perception of the union mentality was that of entitlement. If you show up and do the minimum you will still get raises based on seniority. It stifles the American work ethic, creativity, ingenuity and innovation. That is why I chose the management path, to be rewarded on my merits, not how long I worked there. And it's worked out pretty well for me. If I would have stayed in the union I would be delivering packages 10 hours a day and coming home sore and worn out. Not my cup of tea. You should have the right to choose your own destiny.
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