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Started 1 year ago by buckeyecpa
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Pablo
Crestview Addition
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lazyfish wrote >>

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lazyfish wrote >>
What is to keep these new projects from building below ground parking garages.

Cost.

Yeah I get that, but if they want to build higher density housing they should build the supporting infrastructure. Using on street parking increases the free rider issues. Many of these new units have all the modern amenities, don't you think off street parking makes them more marketable. Most grown-ups are looking for off street parking, why would we assume that college kids would not want it also? plus it is a safety boon, not to have to park and walk home.

Sure, in a perfect world. But cost is the reason Edwards is trying to reduce parking.

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johnwirtz
Evanston, IL
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lazyfish wrote >>

Pablo wrote >>

lazyfish wrote >>
What is to keep these new projects from building below ground parking garages.

Cost.

Yeah I get that, but if they want to build higher density housing they should build the supporting infrastructure. Using on street parking increases the free rider issues. Many of these new units have all the modern amenities, don't you think off street parking makes them more marketable. Most grown-ups are looking for off street parking, why would we assume that college kids would not want it also? plus it is a safety boon, not to have to park and walk home.

College kids probably do want it, but they might not be able to afford to pay the rent that would be required for the developer to recoup the cost. There's lot of stuff I want that I can't afford.

ETA: Lots of interesting data here:
http://www.vtpi.org/tca/tca0504.pdf

How much do you think students would be willing to pay per month for off-street parking when they walk to most of their daily needs and can take transit for most others?

Posted 1 year ago #
lazyfish

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High Density developments create strain on the infrastructure, which on campus is not in great shape. Developers are in it for the cash, not for the public good, they ought to compromise, or follow the zoning regulations, instead of complaining about the neighborhood standards/zoning. The rents from high density are huge compared to what they would be from single family units. When you add the rents over time, they are making a killing. From malls to warehousing of students, not a big leap for Edwards, the difference, the malls are full of parking

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johnwirtz
Evanston, IL
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I think I see the origin of our difference of opinion. You like minimum parking standards as used in the current zoning and I think the market should dictate parking standards, especially near frequent transit. We're not going to come to an agreement on this, but that's okay.

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lazyfish

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public transit and walking are negatives in that the students' cars will be parked on the street for weeks at a time before being moved. There are cars on campus that are rarely moved except on the weekends and on breaks, add in the commuters looking for free spaces in the neighborhood and parking is a nightmare for those of us who live fulltime in the neighborhood and are forced to compete for parking spaces with the kiddos and their friends who come over after classes to drink/goof off.

Most of the kids have cars, they drive to campus from out of town or across town and park. Why not park on your own property????

there is no market solution,it is a free rider problem with on street parking. This is why more neighborhood streets are going permit parking... many campus landlords actually rent their garages to non-tenants, making for an even greater mess.

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johnwirtz
Evanston, IL
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lazyfish wrote >>
public transit and walking are negatives in that the students' cars will be parked on the street for weeks at a time before being moved. There are cars on campus that are rarely moved except on the weekends and on breaks, add in the commuters looking for free spaces in the neighborhood and parking is a nightmare for those of us who live fulltime in the neighborhood and are forced to compete for parking spaces with the kiddos and their friends who come over after classes to drink/goof off.
Most of the kids have cars, they drive to campus from out of town or across town and park. Why not park on your own property????
there is no market solution,it is a free rider problem with on street parking. This is why more neighborhood streets are going permit parking... many campus landlords actually rent their garages to non-tenants, making for an even greater mess.

I see where this is coming from now. You live in the densest neighborhood of the nation's 16th largest city, but still expect to store 2000+ pounds of private property in the public right-of-way with minimal personal cost and inconvenience, even if it means everyone else in the neighborhood has to pay $200 extra a month for underground parking. I don't get that.

There is a market solution. If you give away pizza for $0.10, you'll have a line for pizza. If you give away parking for $25 a year, you'll have too much demand for the supply. If parking were priced higher, demand would be reduced to match supply.

There is a second solution too. If you don't like living on campus, where there are lots of kiddos who like to goof off, move away from campus.

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cyclist II
Short North & Peach District
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Pizzutti should build the Joseph at this site.

Posted 1 year ago #
futureman
Grandview Heights
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And it's gone for now ...

OSU-area apartment plan idled
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 03:06 AM
BY JIM WEIKER
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

A controversial proposal for a large student housing complex next to Ohio State University has been shelved as the developer weighs options for the site.

READ MORE:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/business/stories/2011/04/27/osu-area-apartment-plan-idled.html?sid=101

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johnwirtz
Evanston, IL
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This blog post reminded me of this issue:
http://theoverheadwire.blogspot.com/2011/05/how-to-free-market-and-reduce-vmt.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+overheadwire+%28The+Overhead+Wire%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

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Walker
The KLD / Downtown
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Good link. I saw that a few days ago but didn't take the time to read through the whole thing. Thanks for the reminder. Good to see a case study on something somewhat similar to what we're discussing here.

Posted 12 months ago #
ZHC
101 East Main Street, Downtown
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Walker wrote >>
Good link.

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Thanks John that was interesting.

Posted 12 months ago #
Walker
The KLD / Downtown
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This project is "on hold"... from here:

http://www.columbusunderground.com/edwards-pushes-for-urban-density-with-new-apartment-developments

A year ago, Edwards presented a student apartment project located just east of The Ohio State University between 15th and 16th Avenues. That project is being developed in collaboration with Campus Partners and has been put on hold as officials at the University wait to see how the initiative to house Sophomores in on-campus dormitories will affect the demand for off-campus housing.

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