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lifeontwowheels
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Walker said:
I never said there wasn't more at play.

In fact, I think I've said two or three times now that parking meters are just one of several issues for retail businesses.

So I'm not sure why you're still arguing with me about something I'm not saying.

Not really arguing, just pointing out the other end which really wasn't qualified with the "talk to such and such business owner". I appreciate the whole picture you typically bring to these discussions.

What's the solution when those 4-5 meters immediately in front are all taken at a peak time? At what point do you stop accomadating and start creating a solution better suited to an urban environment? I assume, with the cost of meters and installation, we can kiss streetcars goodbye for the considerable future.

Posted 6 months ago #
Walker
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lifeontwowheels said:
At what point do you stop accomadating and start creating a solution better suited to an urban environment?

There are ongoing plans creating better solutions for transit in the urban environment. The conversion of two way streets, COTA's quarterly improvements to routes and frequencies and the implementation of the Bicentennial Bikeways Plan. These programs are all moving the needle forward every day.

lifeontwowheels said:
I assume, with the cost of meters and installation, we can kiss streetcars goodbye for the considerable future.

I see no reason they can't be cheaply removed and relocated for transit upgrades such as a streetcar project. The cost of doing that would be tiny compared to the installation of a streetcar.

Posted 6 months ago #
hugh59
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Walker said:
Getting a ticket sucks, but its an issue between you personally and the City of Columbus, right? Why threaten to punish small business owners Downtown as an outcome of that?

Why? Because I have the temper of an angry 8 year old. If something runs the risk of triggering my temper, I avoid it. Besides, if the businesses complain, maybe the city government will change its policy.

Granted, saving downtown businesses is not as important as spending city money on pet projects: $300,000 on ten bike shelters or $2 million on a bike sharing system.

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hugh59 said:
Why? Because I have the temper of an angry 8 year old. If something runs the risk of triggering my temper, I avoid it. Besides, if the businesses complain, maybe the city government will change its policy.

Granted, saving downtown businesses is not as important as spending city money on pet projects: $300,000 on ten bike shelters or $2 million on a bike sharing system.

Put another way, parking tickets specifically and parking problems in general are disincentives to patronize downtown retail.

To overcome that, downtown retail of any kind would have to offer some incentive to counteract that disincentive; either unique products not available anywhere else ( including online ), significant cost savings, or something similar.

tl;dr version: give people a reason to put up with the bullshit or they wont.

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lifeontwowheels
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How is it bullshit? Read the posted signs and set your phone alarm.

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hugh59
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rus said:
Put another way, parking tickets specifically and parking problems in general are disincentives to patronize downtown retail.

To overcome that, downtown retail of any kind would have to offer some incentive to counteract that disincentive; either unique products not available anywhere else ( including online ), significant cost savings, or something similar.

tl;dr version: give people a reason to put up with the bullshit or they wont.

No. I am just going to cry, scream and yell. Then I will hold my breath till I am blue in the face. Then I will scream and yell again. I am not very mature when I get provoked. My unhappiness outweighs any pleasure I might have experienced for the evening. It is my fault for failing to check the meter. Understanding that does not make me feel any better.

So, rather than risk that, I will just avoid the whole situation.

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lifeontwowheels said:
How is it bullshit? Read the posted signs and set your phone alarm.

Read "bullshit" as "hassle" if you like. For those used to drive -> park -> fugheddaboutit it's an additional inconvenience. A disincentive.

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No. I am just going to cry, scream and yell. Then I will hold my breath till I am blue in the face. Then I will scream and yell again. I am not very mature when I get provoked. My unhappiness outweighs any pleasure I might have experienced for the evening. It is my fault for failing to check the meter. Understanding that does not make me feel any better.

So, rather than risk that, I will just avoid the whole situation.

Sure.

Why bother with all that if you don't have to?

Posted 6 months ago #
ehill27
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I don't see the need to convince people about the benefits of the urban lifestyle. If they aren't interested, that's fine. They can have Easton, I can have my city. Different strokes...

Posted 6 months ago #
peter
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Parking meters serve the real purpose to regulate and distribute access to areas where demand for parking exceeds capacity. They are not some evil plot or conspiracy theory to soak outsiders for city income. If you can't figure out how to park at a meter without getting a ticket, 1) grow up, and 2) you deserve what you get. Do us all a favor and stay out of the city if you can't hack it.

Sorry 'bout it.

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peter
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Or: call a cab.

Posted 6 months ago #
buckette13

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They should put that on a sign on the door of every downtown business... ;)

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peter said:
Parking meters serve the real purpose to regulate and distribute access to areas where demand for parking exceeds capacity. They are not some evil plot or conspiracy theory to soak outsiders for city income. If you can't figure out how to park at a meter without getting a ticket, 1) grow up, and 2) you deserve what you get. Do us all a favor and stay out of the city if you can't hack it.

Sorry 'bout it.

Right there with ya.

There is nothing I need from downtown retailers I can't get elsewhere.

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hugh59
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peter said:
Parking meters serve the real purpose to regulate and distribute access to areas where demand for parking exceeds capacity. They are not some evil plot or conspiracy theory to soak outsiders for city income. If you can't figure out how to park at a meter without getting a ticket, 1) grow up, and 2) you deserve what you get. Do us all a favor and stay out of the city if you can't hack it.

Sorry 'bout it.

Certainly. I am not wanted so I will stay away. I never have to worry about parking tickets when I ride my bike downtown.

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Rockmastermike
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wow. I'm seriously LOLing now.

Posted 6 months ago #
rus

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Rockmastermike said:
wow. I'm seriously LOLing now.

Seriously though: why spend money downtown when there are options with less hassle? What's downtown that isn't in, say, grandview or upper arlington?

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buckette13

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Not to disagree, because I see your point but the Grandview Strip does have meters (columbus part) and parking can be a hassle depending on when you go.

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Rockmastermike
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rus said:

Seriously though: why spend money downtown when there are options with less hassle? What's downtown that isn't in, say, grandview or upper arlington?

lol!
well lets see... off the top of my head?
Latitude 41, tip top kitchen, cafe brioso, the jury room, Flatiron, Dirty frank's, Mac's, betty's, sugardaddy's... those are just the restaurants *I* like to go that are mostly on meters (ed: and not even the complete list, i just remembered a few others). Not even counting other kinds of services and stuff like the courthouse and friends who live where the meters are the most convenient option or places I don't generally go (like due amici, M, mitchel's steakhouse, little palace, etc etc).

If you really think meters are *that* big an imposition, then please, by all means, stay away from these places so I can have a shorter wait for a table.

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buckette13 said:
Not to disagree, because I see your point but the Grandview Strip does have meters (columbus part) and parking can be a hassle depending on when you go.

Well, sure. No real problem for me there, though. I have had people say they hate grandview because of parking problems ( guy was from dublin ) which generated no shortage of head scratching from me.

Perhaps it's just familiarity with the area?

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Rockmastermike said:
lol!
well lets see... off the top of my head?
Latitude 41, tip top kitchen, cafe brioso, the jury room, Flatiron, Dirty frank's, Mac's, betty's, sugardaddy's... those are just the restaurants *I* like to go that are mostly on meters (ed: and not even the complete list, i just remembered a few others). Not even counting other kinds of services and stuff like the courthouse and friends who live where the meters are the most convenient option or places I don't generally go (like due amici, M, mitchel's steakhouse, little palace, etc etc).

If you really think meters are *that* big an imposition, then please, by all means, stay away from these places so I can have a shorter wait for a table.

You're safe. I can't see me going to any of those places regardless of meters; hell I drive past dirty franks and little palace at least weekly. Never had the desire to go in, even though there's a surface lot across the street.

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