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YouTubeth0m wrote on another thread that "at least we'll have a christian, either way" regarding the current presidential election. I replied I think that's a big downside. While I'm sure that there are many smart, well-meaning christians, the place that religion, especially judeo-christianity holds in this country is a little bit scary to me. The bumper sticker, jesus, protect me from your followers, seems applicable, considering the woman running for VP on the republican ticket.
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I'mperfect
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Albert Einstein:
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
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joev
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I don't see how the vague notion of Judeo-Christian religion could be an outright bad thing.
Do you think an atheist would make a better president? Do you really think either candidate is a "Jesus protect me" type?
With all areas of life, there are good Christians and bad. Good atheists and bad.
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th0m
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Well, just to be clear, Palin's tear jerking faithful pandering sickens me. If anyone knows of a religious tax-exempt organization that's campaigning for either side, please let me know, I'd like to sign the letter to the Attorney General to have that exemption status revoked.
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berdawn
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joev wrote I don't see how the vague notion of Judeo-Christian religion could be an outright bad thing.
th0m's comment was "at least they're both christians". to me, that relief that neither candidate is what, muslim? jewish? atheist? is indicative of the problem. almost, "well, at least both of them are white, or men".
joev wrote Do you think an atheist would make a better president? Do you really think either candidate is a "Jesus protect me" type?
Well, McCain did get Dobson's support and his running mate IS a true religious nut.
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berdawn
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th0m wrote Well, just to be clear, Palin's tear jerking faithful pandering sickens me. If anyone knows of a religious tax-exempt organization that's campaigning for either side, please let me know, I'd like to sign the letter to the Attorney General to have that exemption status revoked.
Can you do something about Liberty University?
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I'mperfect wrote Albert Einstein:
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
Love it.
Some words from Gandhi:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.â€
“God has no religionâ€
Echart Tolle says this:
What is the role of the established religions in the arising of the new consciousness? Many people are already aware of the difference between spirituality and religion. They realize that having a belief system–a set of thoughts that you regard as the absolute truth-does not make you spiritual no matter what the nature of those beliefs is. In fact, the more you make your thoughts (beliefs) into your identity, the more cut off you are from the spiritual dimension within yourself. Many “religious†people are stuck at that level. They equate truth with thought, and as they are completely identified with thought (their mind), they claim to be in sole possession of the truth in an unconscious attempt to protect their identity. They don’t realize the limitations of thought. Unless you believe (think) exactly as they do, you are wrong in their eyes, and in the not-too distant past, they would have felt justified in killing you for that. And some still do, even now.
The new spirituality, the transformation of consciousness, is arising to a large extent outside of the structures of the existing institutionalized religions. There were always pockets of spirituality even in mind-dominated religions, although the institutionalized hierarchies felt threatened by them and often tried to suppress them. A large-scale opening of spirituality outside of the religious structures is an entirely new development. In the past, this would have been inconceivable, especially in the West, the most mind dominated of all cultures, where the Christian church had a virtual franchise on spirituality. You couldn’t just stand up and give a spiritual talk or publish a spiritual book unless you were sanctioned by the church, and if you were not, they would quickly silence you. But now, even within certain churches and religions, there are signs of change. It is heartwarming, and one is grateful for even the slightest signs of openness, such as Pope John Paul II visiting a mosque as well as a synagogue.
Partly as a result of the spiritual teachings that have arisen outside the established religions, but also due to an influx of the ancient Eastern wisdom teachings, a growing number of followers of traditional religions are able to let go of identification with form, dogma, and rigid belief systems and discover the original depth that is hidden within their own spiritual tradition at the same time as they discover the depth within themselves. They realize that how “spiritual†you are has nothing to do with what you believe but everything to do with your state of consciousness. This, in turn, determines how you act in the world and interact with others.
Those unable to look beyond form become even more deeply entrenched in their beliefs, that is to say, in their mind. We are witnessing not only an unprecedented influx of consciousness at this time but also an entrenchment and intensification of the ego. Some religious institutions will be open to the new consciousness; others will harden their doctrinal positions and become part of all those other man made structures through which the collective ego will defend itself and “fight back.†Some churches, sects, cults, or religious movements are basically collective egoic entities, as rigidly identified with their mental positions as the followers of any political ideology that is closed to any alternative interpretation of reality.
But the ego is destined to dissolve, and all its ossified structures, whether they be religious or other institutions, corporations, or governments, will disintegrate from within, no matter how deeply entrenched they appear to be. The most rigid structures, the most impervious to change, will collapse first. This has already happened in the case of Soviet Communism. How deeply entrenched, how solid and monolithic it appeared, and yet within a few years, it disintegrated from within. No one foresaw this. All were taken by surprise. There are many more such surprises in store for us.
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th0m
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berdawn wrote
th0m wrote Well, just to be clear, Palin's tear jerking faithful pandering sickens me. If anyone knows of a religious tax-exempt organization that's campaigning for either side, please let me know, I'd like to sign the letter to the Attorney General to have that exemption status revoked.
Can you do something about Liberty University?
i can't find anything right off that they are a 501.3(c) or getting tax exempt status... but more to the point it may be a loophole such that it is *that guy* who is endorsing candidates, and not, per se, his church or university...
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berdawn
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th0m wrote hrmmm good point! i guess i just meant it that "at least [...] such that we don't have to have some kind of religious debate about it all" ... heheh ;p my wishful thinking.
I could also be a little prickly...I grew up in WV and saw the one "openly" atheist kid in my high school get the crap beat out of him pretty regularly because he would not bow his head during the morning prayer which was then period of thoughtful silence which was then I think they dropped.[/i]
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Hael
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berdawn wrote especially judeo-christianity holds in this country is a little bit scary to me.
First of all, I'd like to thank Walker/CU for hosting this thread. Secondly, I'd like to thank God, Jesus, Baby Jesus and just for good measure, Adolescent Jesus for making this moment possible. (this paragraph is a joke)
Ok, seriously, berdawn thank you for responding. Would you be less scared by a President with a religion other than judeo-christian?
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berdawn
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Hael wrote
berdawn wrote especially judeo-christianity holds in this country is a little bit scary to me.
First of all, I'd like to thank Walker/CU for hosting this thread. Secondly, I'd like to thank God, Jesus, Baby Jesus and just for good measure, Adolescent Jesus for making this moment possible. (this paragraph is a joke)
Ok, seriously, berdawn thank you for responding. Would you be less scared by a President with a religion other than judeo-christian?
Seems unlikely the US will get such, but unless it's an adherent of the flying spaghetti monster, probably not.
the fervor of some of those on the right is what's so frightening; their casual disregard for science and insistence on inserting the idea of god's will seems only slightly less bizarre than the islamo-fascists. no one is asking my clitoris in this country, but they certainly don't want any diagrams of how to find it sneaking out to teenagers.
I only pray to baby jesus. I like him best.[/i]
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joev
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berdawn wrote
Hael wrote
berdawn wrote especially judeo-christianity holds in this country is a little bit scary to me.
First of all, I'd like to thank Walker/CU for hosting this thread. Secondly, I'd like to thank God, Jesus, Baby Jesus and just for good measure, Adolescent Jesus for making this moment possible. (this paragraph is a joke)
Ok, seriously, berdawn thank you for responding. Would you be less scared by a President with a religion other than judeo-christian?
Seems unlikely the US will get such, but unless it's an adherent of the flying spaghetti monster, probably not.
the fervor of some of those on the right is what's so frightening; their casual disregard for science and insistence on inserting the idea of god's will seems only slightly less bizarre than the islamo-fascists. no one is asking my clitoris in this country, but they certainly don't want any diagrams of how to find it sneaking out to teenagers.
I only pray to baby jesus. I like him best.[/i]
So secularist presidents who happen to also believe in a higher power are OK? I think we've had an awful lot of those over the years, from the beginning, really.
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berdawn
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joev wrote
berdawn wrote
Hael wrote
berdawn wrote especially judeo-christianity holds in this country is a little bit scary to me.
First of all, I'd like to thank Walker/CU for hosting this thread. Secondly, I'd like to thank God, Jesus, Baby Jesus and just for good measure, Adolescent Jesus for making this moment possible. (this paragraph is a joke)
Ok, seriously, berdawn thank you for responding. Would you be less scared by a President with a religion other than judeo-christian?
Seems unlikely the US will get such, but unless it's an adherent of the flying spaghetti monster, probably not.
the fervor of some of those on the right is what's so frightening; their casual disregard for science and insistence on inserting the idea of god's will seems only slightly less bizarre than the islamo-fascists. no one is asking my clitoris in this country, but they certainly don't want any diagrams of how to find it sneaking out to teenagers.
I only pray to baby jesus. I like him best.[/i]
So secularist presidents who happen to also believe in a higher power are OK? I think we've had an awful lot of those over the years, from the beginning, really.
The degree to which the President allows magical thinking to dictate public policy is my issue. When s/he allows their personal crazy to limit education and start wars, then I have a problem. Their belief system is not as important as how they permit those beliefs to manifest.
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joev
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Not to provoke something else, here, but then Sarah Palin might turn out to be OK, if that's your threshold. She doesn't think homosexuality is moral, but she does support gay unions, and didn't stop her state from providing same sex partner benefits. She doesn't think abortion is moral, but she didn't do anything to make it illegal.
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misskitty
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I believe in nothing .I do believe that everyone has a right to believe in whatever and practice whatever they want. This also fallows the future President As long as you know you're job and have good values and are intelligent I don’t care if you are a atheist , self worshiping , or anything else. I am just not cool with people trying to impression there belifes on me. I would also note it really pisses me off when people around me and at my job try to push there belifes on me :evil:
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Hael wrote
enzo wrote All of you guys, this is great news because now John Haeglin makes more sense....see!!!!
enzo, what are you talking about?
Disclaimer to the forum: this is post number 270 from me, have mercy.
The sooner you stop trying to understand her posts, and read them as "i'm batshit crazy don't pay attention to me" like I do, the better you'll sleep at night.
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