sirlancelot
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What I hear from Christian conservatives, via talk radio, is that some Christians refused to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon, and, thought he might be another "Compassionate Conservative" George Bush. They could live with Obama if there was a Republican Congress. Another thing, it seems not as many people under age 30 voted this time.
Personally, I think many people were disgusted with the menu selection.
geoyui
West Side
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@Manatee - thought of you when I read this article. Be careful out there!
Wife blames husband for Obama's win because he didn't vote, runs him over with her car
myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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rus said:
Total popular votes cast for President:
2008 129,446,455
2012 119,334,382Percent decrease: 7.8%
Number fewer votes cast: 10,112,073Difference in votes cast for Obama and Romney (i.e. how much did Obama win by): 3,006,428
Q: Why the decline in votes cast? Who didn't show up? If they had shown up, would that have changed the results?
I'll just quote the woman dating a relative of mine at the moment.
Doesn't really matter who wins to me.
Hence, the implied other half of the remark where Obama mentioned everyone who turned out, regardless of who they turned out for.
Now, there were some articles written about who wasn't going to turn out back along and they pretty easily fit the mold of Obama voters.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-08-15/non-voters-obama-romney/57055184/1
Americans who love the insta-whatever elements that make up our daily lives are going to be completely turned off by a politics that moves in inches and in fits and starts. I'd guess that's where a lot of it lies.
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myliftkk said:
Hence, the implied other half of the remark where Obama mentioned everyone who turned out, regardless of who they turned out for.
Not sure what you mean by that, in context.
myliftkk said:
Now, there were some articles written about who wasn't going to turn out back along and they pretty easily fit the mold of Obama voters.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-08-15/non-voters-obama-romney/57055184/1
It's possible the non-voters do support Obama but not enough to go vote for him. It's also possible that Romney, being so similar to Obama, didn't offer a meaningful difference in policy to some people.
myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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rus said:
Not sure what you mean by that, in context.It's possible the non-voters do support Obama but not enough to go vote for him. It's also possible that Romney, being so similar to Obama, didn't offer a meaningful difference in policy to some people.
To the first, that Obama was singling out the people who cared enough to vote for thanks.
To the second, I'd argue the people that don't vote haven't the least interest in policy specifics. Romney could have maybe offered to give everyone a pony and an AK47, and that might have drew a few more people, but given that he lost 2m off McCain's mark, and Obama more than that off his mark, I'd wager the article's more correct in the feeling that people are looking for someone to "like" to vote into office. Obama '08 was that someone, and McCain too had his hero appeal. Romney wasn't ever going to be anyone's hero, and frankly you'd have to look really hard in the GOP to even find someone to fit that mold right now, not withstanding drafting Petraeus before his ignominous fall from grace. He spouted whatever policies he wanted to at whatever crowd would hear them, so I don't think he'd have motivated anyone more to turn out than he already did.
It'd be nice to think the only reason Romney didn't win was because he was a leaky vessel. But, party id statistics prove the GOP is a leaky vessel even before you add in Romney. Dems hold a distinct advantage on party id right now in the states that matter to the EC, and exit polls showed that many of self-identified Independents are ex-GOP members. That means those unskewed polls that showed Dems with a +7 to +9 party id are the reality on the ground right now. So sure, some people might have been turned off because Romney wasn't conservative enough, but the odds that those "some people" are enough to matter are negligible.
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myliftkk said:
Dems hold a distinct advantage on party id right now in the states that matter to the EC, and exit polls showed that many of self-identified Independents are ex-GOP members. That means those unskewed polls that showed Dems with a +7 to +9 party id are the reality on the ground right now. So sure, some people might have been turned off because Romney wasn't conservative enough, but the odds that those "some people" are enough to matter are negligible.
Do you think ex-GOP types are automatically democrats?
ChrisSunami
King-Lincoln District
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I always thought it would come down to turnout in much this manner --based on the parallels with the Bush/Kerry election. As in 2004 you had an incumbent who was a strongly polarizing figure, and a challenger who was basically running as "NOT [Bush/Obama]".
My intuition is that the highly motivated Anti-Obama and Anti-Romney forces roughly equaled out. But the Pro-Obama forces were much more motivated than the Pro-Romney ones. So when it came time to the election, the people who didn't feel strongly one way or another about Obama just stayed home. They may not have liked the president, but they didn't feel good enough about Romney to go on the record.
Rockmastermike
The Bacon District
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geoyui said:
There seems to be a number of citizens creating petitions to withdraw from the US post Obama reelection.A petition for Ohio was not listed ... yet
It is. Apparently there are a couple thousand in ohio who are that butthurt about losing an election.
Also, there's this one, for the lulz https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL
FSonicSmith
Columbus-downtown for work, East for the residence
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Obama '08 was that someone, and McCain too had his hero appeal. Romney wasn't ever going to be anyone's hero, and frankly you'd have to look really hard in the GOP to even find someone to fit that mold right now, not withstanding drafting Petraeus before his ignominous fall from grace. He spouted whatever policies he wanted to at whatever crowd would hear them, so I don't think he'd have motivated anyone more to turn out than he already did.
It'd be nice to think the only reason Romney didn't win was because he was a leaky vessel. But, party id statistics prove the GOP is a leaky vessel even before you add in Romney. Dems hold a distinct advantage on party id right now in the states that matter to the EC, and exit polls showed that many of self-identified Independents are ex-GOP members. That means those unskewed polls that showed Dems with a +7 to +9 party id are the reality on the ground right now. So sure, some people might have been turned off because Romney wasn't conservative enough, but the odds that those "some people" are enough to matter are negligible.
No offense to this Board in general, but this is about the most intelligent and spot-on political comment I have seen in this entire thread.
Pablo
Crestview Addition
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Rockmastermike said:
Also, there's this one, for the lulz https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/deport-everyone-signed-petition-withdraw-their-state-united-states-america/dmQl1bXL
That's hilarious!
lifeontwowheels
Highland West
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More than enough money left in the PACs to buy a third world country and start Reagonia. They already have state tv in place.
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lifeontwowheels
Highland West
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So no Romnistan to quell the butthurt?
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