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Coremodels said:
http://graphics.latimes.com/2012-election-superpac-spending/

Pretty remarkable. 541 million dollars spent by Super PACs so far this election cycle...20 times what they spent in 2008, prior to Citizens United...and 289.5 million of that was spent in opposition of the President. Not for Romney, that was only about 50 million...but in opposition of the President.

ETA: Yeah...clearly they benefit both...or something.

Per your numbers: $541m total spent. $289.5m spent against the dems, meaning $251.5m spent against the GOP.

Both use them and, presumably, both consider the money well spent.

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rus said:
Per your numbers: $541m total spent. $289.5m spent against the dems, meaning $251.5m spent against the GOP.

Both use them and, presumably, both consider the money well spent.

So you didn't actually read the link...

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Coremodels said:
So you didn't actually read the link...

Just enough to see you were only talking about money spent against Obama.

Point is: Both sides are using it. I don't see anyone stopping.

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rus said:
Look at how hope and change worked out?

Actually, with some admitted exceptions, it worked out great. Remember, we were all hoping for a change from W. We got it --including the restoration of our global reputation, the turnaround of our economic free fall, progress on a number of important issues, including health care and the environment, a return to the days of intellectual substance in American public life, and a competent response to natural disasters and national crises.

If you recall, we didn't have any of that 4+ years ago.

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rus said:
Just enough to see you were only talking about money spent against Obama.

Point is: Both sides are using it. I don't see anyone stopping.

Again...you didn't read the link. Its a chart. It should take you about 25 seconds to view it and understand that your argument that its equally benefiting both parties is incorrect.

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ChrisSunami said:
Actually, with some admitted exceptions, it worked out great. Remember, we were all hoping for a change from W. We got it --including the restoration of our global reputation, the turnaround of our economic free fall, progress on a number of important issues, including health care and the environment, a return to the days of intellectual substance in American public life, and a competent response to natural disasters and national crises.

If you recall, we didn't have any of that 4+ years ago.

How are you measuring those? Can they be measured or are those just your feelings?

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ChrisSunami said:
Actually, with some admitted exceptions, it worked out great. Remember, we were all hoping for a change from W. We got it --including the restoration of our global reputation, the turnaround of our economic free fall, progress on a number of important issues, including health care and the environment, a return to the days of intellectual substance in American public life, and a competent response to natural disasters and national crises. If you recall, we didn't have any of that 4+ years ago.

Global reputation:
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/09/19/you_still_don_t_like_us

Slowest economic recover since the 1960's:
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/04/chart-of-the-week-slowest-economic-recovery-since-the-1960s/

Health care:
Looks like the cost overruns in Romneycare are the future of Obamacare:
http://reason.com/archives/2012/03/06/sorry-liberals-romneycare-is-still-not-w

Environment:
Well, we're fracking everywhere. I do like that ;-)

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bjx said:
Do white trash realize that they are largely the sole-beneficiary of socialist ideals and liberal laws? The GOP hasn't completely drowned the federal government in a bathtub so part of me wants Romney to win so he can put these people out of their misery. The chode with the A&F T-Shirt is especially brilliant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nY0M7IdNl7U#!

Salon comment: If this the soul of America, America deserves Romney.

Some of this seems to highlight what a person can believe when they never ever hear an opposing view. Fox news, hope in the car and turn on Glenn Beck, hit up some Conservative blogs at work....geeeeez

"He's a Muslim."

"Commander in chief failure"

"GWB was a good president, Obama is not a good one"

"I don't think he does like America"

"I dont feel like I can go outside without someone watching me, I saw a drone flying around"

"We just don't have the freedom we used to"

"We need a family man." (This one makes me laugh, you mean the guy who stays home with his kids and is clearly a family man...?)

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rus said:

Slowest economic recover since the 1960's:
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/11/04/chart-of-the-week-slowest-economic-recovery-since-the-1960s/

A recovery is a recovery, when was the last time we had to recover from such a huge recession? I'll take slow growth over any form of decline.

How many people voted to re-elect the last incumbent when job numbers were dropping hard, and now raising job numbers are the "worst growth"...right...

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Coremodels said:
Again...you didn't read the link. Its a chart. It should take you about 25 seconds to view it and understand that your argument that its equally benefiting both parties is incorrect.

Oh I see it Core. You're confusing "equally benefit" with "both are doing it".

Sure, more people spent more money to oppose Obama, but Obama PACs spent $64,799,242 to oppose Romney ( not counting the $24,912,218 "unaffiliated" ). The Dems aren't giving that up, even if they continue to be outspent.

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lol...heritage blog? reason.com?

Glad you went to some really credible, no partisan sources.

Global reputation?

http://globescan.com/commentary-and-analysis/press-releases/press-releases-2012/245-global-poll-obama-overwhelmingly-preferred-to-romney.html

Slow recovery? How about we actually use heritage's link to dispute that one. They state that employment is actually 3.1% lower than the start of their chart...58 months ago. Hmmm...58 months? How about you start the chart where Obama took office. Gee, now the recovery looks exactly like every other one on there.

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Coremodels said:
lol...heritage blog? reason.com?

Glad you went to some really credible, no partisan sources.

Motherjones, Dailykos and the columbus free press are IP filtered ;-)

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rus said:
Oh I see it Core. You're confusing "equally benefit" with "both are doing it".

Sure, more people spent more money to oppose Obama, but Obama PACs spent $64,799,242 to oppose Romney ( not counting the $24,912,218 "unaffiliated" ). The Dems aren't giving that up, even if they continue to be outspent.

LOL...wait, what?

You think the Democrats would choose to keep 140M in spending either opposing Romney or supporting Obama...vs. getting rid of 340M spent either opposing Obama or supporting Romney???

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Coremodels said:
LOL...wait, what?

You think the Democrats would choose to keep 140M in spending either opposing Romney or supporting Obama...vs. getting rid of 340M spent either opposing Obama or supporting Romney???

Yep.

Because no matter who wins tomorrow in whichever races the party apparatus and related hangers on will still be around. Funneling additional money via PACs into them benefits them.

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Walker
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Didn't see this posted yet. Thought it would *lighten* the mood. ;)

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rus said:
Yep.

Because no matter who wins tomorrow in whichever races the party apparatus and related hangers on will still be around. Funneling additional money via PACs into them benefits them.

I think the story that will emerge after the election is that super pacs are extremely ineffective at shaping public opinion. The events that actually moved public opinion in a meaningful way had nothing to do with super pac spending - the conventions, Bill's endorsement, the first debate and Sandy. Super Pacs piled on after the fact but you saw immediate shifts in public opinion driven by what they saw.

On the other hand, PAC money is 'free' to the Super PACs and as long as people give it without strings attached, it will get spent (wasted).

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I think the story that will emerge after the election is that super pacs are extremely ineffective at shaping public opinion. The events that actually moved public opinion in a meaningful way had nothing to do with super pac spending - the conventions, Bill's endorsement, the first debate and Sandy. Super Pacs piled on after the fact but you saw immediate shifts in public opinion driven by what they saw.

On the other hand, PAC money is 'free' to the Super PACs and as long as people give it without strings attached, it will get spent (wasted).

Yeah, exactly. More money to spend, no matter how effective it is or how much the other guy has, doesn't seem like something any political apparatus would turn down.

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Romney Records Videos of Staffers While They Sleep

"As he prowled the cabin, laughing quietly to himself, he seemed to understand that come Tuesday, win or lose, this chapter of his life would be over."

Cree-eeee-eeee-py.

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Romney's Murky Urban Agenda
EMILY BADGER
9:45 AM

If Mitt Romney wins the presidency on Tuesday, it would be fair to say the direction his future administration might take on urban policy is a mystery.

The specific problems of cities have figured little into this year’s election – in the Republican primary and the general contest – in marked contrast to the many specific promises Obama made on this front four years ago (PolitiFact has kept close tabs on the president's follow-through here). The issue pages on Romney's website make no mention of transportation, public transit, poverty programs, smart growth or climate change, and only cursory mention of housing ("Independent economists estimate that the [Romney] plan will create 12 million jobs by the end of his first term, an essential element to ending the housing crisis").

READ MORE: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2012/11/romneys-murky-urban-agenda/3787/

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geoyui
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Romney Volunteers Going Door-To-Door To Let Obama Supporters Know President's Dead

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