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New Poll Shows Ohioans Interested In Allowing Smoking In Bars
By Cincinnati.com
Published: August 06, 2010
A new poll finds that a little over half of Ohio residents surveyed support letting people smoke in Ohio bars. That same poll showed that support remains strong for continuing a smoking ban in restaurants and workplaces.
Core_Models
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This is about where I weigh in on the issue. Let the marketplace make the decision for bars, if there are truly that many people who prefer a smoke free bar environment, operating a smoke free bar should be quite lucrative.
lisathewaitress
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bars aren't workplaces? curious wording.
sean2outerspace
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lisathewaitress wrote >>
bars aren't workplaces? curious wording.
I was thinking the same exact thing. Why is it that people who work in other industries are permitted to work in a smoke free environment,but those in the service industry must be subjected to smoke in the workplace?
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sean2outerspace wrote >>
lisathewaitress wrote >>
bars aren't workplaces? curious wording.I was thinking the same exact thing. Why is it that people who work in other industries are permitted to work in a smoke free environment,but those in the service industry must be subjected to smoke in the workplace?
1. You're not.
2. Smoking is a legal activity and there are places it is deemed acceptable. Personally, I believe bars should be one of those places and choosing to work in a smoking bar would be exactly that, a choice.
Bars are traditionally smokey, if you're opposed to that, find one that isn't or wait tables/tend bar at a restaurant instead.
lisathewaitress
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@core - that still doesn't answer my question, though: if Ohioans are against smoking being allowed in workplaces, how are bars not workplaces?
and i hate to tell you, but i really can't see us going back to being a smoking state.
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Honestly, I'm fine with the way things are Lis, I'm a smoker, but I'm fine not smoking in bars/restaurants. That said, I think it should be left up to the owners of the bars if they want smoking or not.
BTW, I don't disagree that bars are workplaces, but I think they fit in a very different segment of workplace than a traditional office/store which I'm guessing was the intention (much like separating restaurants as well).
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JonMyers wrote >>
I'd say allow smoking in bars or rather leave it up to the bar owners, and in return drop another huge additional tax on cigarettes just because.
I'm fine with that too, as long as we start taxing every other vice that contributes to financial burden on taxpayers (looking at you fast food, soda, candy, etc.)
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Core_Models wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
I'd say allow smoking in bars or rather leave it up to the bar owners, and in return drop another huge additional tax on cigarettes just because.I'm fine with that too, as long as we start taxing every other vice that contributes to financial burden on taxpayers (looking at you fast food, soda, candy, etc.)
I'd be fine with it.
Walker
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JonMyers wrote >>
I'd say allow smoking in bars or rather leave it up to the bar owners, and in return drop another huge additional tax on cigarettes just because.
Smoking in bars could be allowed and permitted just like liquor licenses. As a business owner, you'd have the option of deciding if paying for an annual smoking license would be of benefit to your business or not.
Honestly, after being smoke-free for a few years, I have to imagine that a large portion of business owners wouldn't be rushing back into it. A lot of places have constructed patios for smoking, and I bet they'd continue to have smokers use those designated areas.
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ehill27 wrote >>
According to the article, 78% support the ban in restaurants. So what would this mean for bars that serve food?
At the time of the original legislation there was some convoluted process for this, determined by the percentage of business generated from food sales.
sean2outerspace
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Core_Models wrote >>
sean2outerspace wrote >>
lisathewaitress wrote >>
bars aren't workplaces? curious wording.I was thinking the same exact thing. Why is it that people who work in other industries are permitted to work in a smoke free environment,but those in the service industry must be subjected to smoke in the workplace?
1. You're not.
2. Smoking is a legal activity and there are places it is deemed acceptable. Personally, I believe bars should be one of those places and choosing to work in a smoking bar would be exactly that, a choice.
Bars are traditionally smokey, if you're opposed to that, find one that isn't or wait tables/tend bar at a restaurant instead.
so if 4 years ago, someone got a job at a bar, and that bar decided to return to smoking, you'd expect that person to just pack up and leave? Go back to being the low person on the totem pole, lose the best shifts and make considerably less money? What about someone who tends bar that is a parent(or worse pregnant), just send them home with second and third hand smoke to potentially harm themselves and their children?
What bars have really even been hurt by the smoking ban? I go to all sorts of places that are still crazy busy since, I guess that some old timer/ country/ suburb bars may have seen some sort of an impact, but I really don't see it as much in the city. We should probably just leave well enough alone.
All this is coming from a bartender who still enjoys a cigarette or two while out from time to time.
Core_Models
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Yeah, I'd suggest that if they got the job 4 years ago and they don't want to work in a smoking environment they take a job at a non-smoking bar or restaurant.
As far as third hand smoke...come on.
Rockmastermike
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It still never fails to amaze me that if you go somewhere and light a piece of paper on fire in a room and wave it around and fill the place with smoke nobody would even think twice about saying it's an illegal nuisance and you shouldn't have people lighting stuff on fire and making a bunch of smoke in a crowded room. But, if you crumble up some old dead leaves on that paper...suddenly its not only OK, but some people would say it's their god given RIGHT to do so. wait, wut?
Sorry, I just always thought that it's both weird and insane that we even need to have this debate.
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Core_Models wrote >>
Yeah, I'd suggest that if they got the job 4 years ago and they don't want to work in a smoking environment they take a job at a non-smoking bar or restaurant.
As far as third hand smoke...come on.
You've obviously been smoking too long to notice how horribly people reek when they come home from being in smokey bars. Would you like to meet someone who has had an asthma attack from smoke someone has brought into a room on their clothes?
oh wait, you already know me.
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
It still never fails to amaze me that if you go somewhere and light a piece of paper on fire in a room and wave it around and fill the place with smoke nobody would even think twice about saying it's an illegal nuisance and you shouldn't have people lighting stuff on fire and making a bunch of smoke in a crowded room. But, if you crumble up some old dead leaves on that paper...suddenly its not only OK, but some people would say it's their god given RIGHT to do so. wait, wut?
Sorry, I just always thought that it's both weird and insane that we even need to have this debate.
And yet even without you getting it, people have been doing it for what...7,000 years now? ;)
BTW, again RMM, I'm not advocating making smoking some kind of requirement in bars. I'm simply saying I'd like to see it be up to the owners of the establishment.
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Core_Models wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
It still never fails to amaze me that if you go somewhere and light a piece of paper on fire in a room and wave it around and fill the place with smoke nobody would even think twice about saying it's an illegal nuisance and you shouldn't have people lighting stuff on fire and making a bunch of smoke in a crowded room. But, if you crumble up some old dead leaves on that paper...suddenly its not only OK, but some people would say it's their god given RIGHT to do so. wait, wut?
Sorry, I just always thought that it's both weird and insane that we even need to have this debate.BTW, again RMM, I'm not advocating making smoking some kind of requirement in bars. I'm simply saying I'd like to see it be up to the owners of the establishment.
So what other parts of the fire code should be up to the owners? that whole pesky and expensive sprinkler thing? What about that fascist rule that says you have to have a fire exit that isn't chained up?
I'm being absurd, of course, but, seriously, why should there be an exemption to allow people to set stuff on fire in a crowded place just because its a certain kind of dead leaves?
it makes no friggin' sense to me.
Core_Models
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Come on now, the fire code thing isn't really an argument is it? That's not why there's a smoking ban, nor has it ever been a problem (smokers burning down bars, etc.). In fact, most cigarettes now have the whole fire prevention feature (which I hate, btw).
Not to mention, if erring on the side of caution is the goal here...the whole drinking thing may not be the best idea!
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