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That makes me think of Yubaba's disembodied grunting green heads in Spirited Away.
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Bear
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My point was just that "other people's belief systems are the only ones that kill people" is a pretty unsustainable argument for most people.If that was the argument, perhaps you'd have a point.
On the other hand, from sheer numbers killed communist and, to a lesser extent, national socialist systems have a proven track record for killing their own citizens unmatched in modern memory.
Does that mean that the US is absolved for every bad thing we've done? Of course not. Does it mean we are the moral equivalent of the USSR or Nazi Germany? I'd say no.Let me put it this way: discussing morality in relative terms is a convenient way to avoid discussing it in its own right. Which is why "At least I didn't kill TWO people" doesn't fly with a jury.
Yet juries hand out harsher sentences to people who deliberately murder multiple people rather than someone who murdered a single person...
Also, if morality isn't relative, then there must be a absolute standard of morality ( perhaps handed down by a divine being ), right?I never said morality couldn't be discussed in relative terms, just that doing so is a convenient way to avoid discussing it in its own right.
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hugh59
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I look at life as a spectrum. That does not mean all things are relative; but it helps you keep things in perspective. Lying about liking your wife's chicken soup to keep from hurting her feelings is not the same as lying to someone in order to steal money from them.
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DavidF
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hugh59 wrote >>
I look at life as a spectrum. That does not mean all things are relative; but it helps you keep things in perspective. Lying about liking your wife's chicken soup to keep from hurting her feelings is not the same as lying to someone in order to steal money from them.Certainly not. One is a matter of survival. BTW Mae, I hear you make a wicked chicken soup. :)
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KSquared
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Some recent articles in Time magazine talk about reasons things are not getting done in Washington,and the Tea Party movement.
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Some recent articles in Time magazine talk about reasons things are not getting done in Washington,and the Tea Party movement.From the first story:
This revulsion toward the nation's capital is understandable. But it makes the problem worse. From health care to energy to the deficit, addressing the U.S.'s big challenges requires vigorous government action. When government doesn't take that action, it loses people's faith. And without public faith, government action is harder still. Call it Washington's vicious circle.
From the second:
The first is an explicit rejection of progressive philosophy. Until recently, progressivism was stowed on a dusty shelf of history, but many Democrats now embrace the label in place of the term liberal. It's an apt adoption. Like many Democrats today, the progressives of a century ago believed in the ability of social-science-minded intellectuals to analyze civic problems and engineer a way for government to tackle them. Tea Partyers say that belief, an integral part of the Obama team's mind-set, is crazy, even dangerous. They believe problems are better solved by individual efforts than through government programs. And they are suspicious that the real point of progressivism is not to solve problems but to concentrate power. No matter the crisis, whether it's a terrorist attack or a bank failure, they like to note, the government always gets bigger.
The first seems to outline a basic assumption, the second illustrates not everyone shares that assumption.
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hugh59
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DavidF wrote >>
hugh59 wrote >>
I look at life as a spectrum. That does not mean all things are relative; but it helps you keep things in perspective. Lying about liking your wife's chicken soup to keep from hurting her feelings is not the same as lying to someone in order to steal money from them.Certainly not. One is a matter of survival. BTW Mae, I hear you make a wicked chicken soup. :)
Mae is working on making killer matzah balls too. ;-)
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Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes … known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.… No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. -james madison
Why does the US number seem so high when the budget announced $517.9 for the Department of Defense?
Unfortunately, the budget numbers can be a bit confusing. For example, the Fiscal Year budget requests for US military spending do not include combat figures (which are supplemental requests that Congress approves separately). The budget for nuclear weapons falls under the Department of Energy, and for the 2009 request, was about $29 billion.
The cost of war (Iraq and Afghanistan) is estimated to be about $170 billion for the 2009 spending alone. Christopher Hellman and Travis Sharp also discuss the US fiscal year 2009 Pentagon spending request and note that “Congress has already approved nearly $700 billion in supplemental funding for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and an additional $126 billion in FY'08 war funding is still pending before the House and Senate.â€Â
Furthermore, other costs such as care for veterans, health care, military training/aid, secret operations, may fall under other departments or be counted separately.
America's real problem with debt and taxes is historically tied to their obsession with war and global dominance.
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thefiercelime wrote >>
America's real problem with debt and taxes is historically tied to their obsession with war and global dominance.
These guys might agree.
http://www.americanpatriotmovement.com/
# For many decades, our Government has been meddling in the internal affairs of other countries, without any Constitutional authority, causing foreign nationals to direct their hostilities towards us, which has given us a War on Terror and a growing Police State that is repugnant to the Fourth Amendment and the General Welfare of a Free People;
# Since the end of World War II, we have had undeclared wars in violation of the War Powers clauses of Articles I and II;Posted 1 year ago # -
Brant
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How to get arrested in 140 characters or less.
Well, here's another Twitter user helping to keep the Secret Service busy with his own death threats. According to his Facebook page, Jay Martin graduated from Vatterott College last year with an IT degree and currently resides in Federal Way, WA. His About Me Page says: "Socially aware, Deep thinker, Artistic, Hip Hop Aficionado, free thinker, Funny Guy." Oh, and he really, seriously, honestly, wants to kill President Barack Obama.
/via Gawker
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Bricks Shatter Glass at NY Democratic Offices
ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) -- Authorities are trying to find out who threw bricks through windows and doors at two Democratic Party offices in western New York before Sunday's health care vote.
Monroe County Democratic Committee officials say a brick shattered glass doors at the party's headquarters in Rochester on Saturday or Sunday. No one was in the building at the time. Rochester police are investigating.
A brick was thrown through a window at Democratic Rep. Louise Slaughter's district office in Niagara Falls early Friday.
Slaughter's district stretches from Rochester to the Buffalo area. She has been a key supporter of the health care reform bill passed Sunday by the House.
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Bear wrote >>
Not alone:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/22/pols.dems.vandalized/Guess some people are still angry.
Who knew, right?
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michaelcoyote
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rus wrote >>
Bear wrote >>
Not alone:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/22/pols.dems.vandalized/Guess some people are still angry.
Who knew, right?I'm sure that everyone is feeling this right now:
"My answer is violence, by getting their attention," he said, adding, "If we can get across to the other side, that they are within inches of provoking a civil war in this country, then that's a good thing."
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rus wrote >>
Bear wrote >>
Not alone:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/22/pols.dems.vandalized/Guess some people are still angry.
Who knew, right?I'm sure that everyone is feeling this right now:
"My answer is violence, by getting their attention," he said, adding, "If we can get across to the other side, that they are within inches of provoking a civil war in this country, then that's a good thing."
I say "some", you say "everyone"... kinda large values of "some", eh?
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Bear
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rus wrote >>
Guess some people are still angry.
Who knew, right?Well, no doubt. Question is, what conclusion can we draw from it? Is it really everyone we're talking about, or is it just a few extremists -- and is the civil-war language perhaps just a bit over the top?
Some of the images from the run-up to Sunday’s landmark health care vote in the House of Representatives should be seared into the nation’s consciousness. We are so far, in so many ways, from being a class act.
A group of lowlifes at a Tea Party rally in Columbus, Ohio, last week taunted and humiliated a man who was sitting on the ground with a sign that said he had Parkinson’s disease. The disgusting behavior was captured on a widely circulated videotape. One of the Tea Party protesters leaned over the man and sneered: “If you’re looking for a handout, you’re in the wrong end of town.â€Â
Another threw money at the man, first one bill and then another, and said contemptuously, “I’ll pay for this guy. Here you go. Start a pot.â€Â
In Washington on Saturday, opponents of the health care legislation spit on a black congressman and shouted racial slurs at two others, including John Lewis, one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was taunted because he is gay.
At some point, we have to decide as a country that we just can’t have this: We can’t allow ourselves to remain silent as foaming-at-the-mouth protesters scream the vilest of epithets at members of Congress  epithets that The Times will not allow me to repeat here.
It is 2010, which means it is way past time for decent Americans to rise up against this kind of garbage, to fight it aggressively wherever it appears.
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Twixlen
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I am totally with that Bob Herbert piece --- I think too many people aren't getting their news from legitimate sources, and instead allow themselves to be led by the hand down ignorant and dangerous roads (thanks Rush and Glenn!). Instead of taking what those sorts of folks say as the entertainment that it is, they take it for news.
People willing to throw a brick and resort to violence are extreme, no matter what side of the coin they're on.
I thought this piece from Ron Elving on NPR was interesting -- http://www.npr.org/watchingwashington/2010/03/just_how_unpopular_is_the_heal.html
ETA: Also - yelling something like "Baby Killer" from the floor of the House of Representatives is something I can't even wrap my mind around. What ever happened to having a little friggin' class indeed.
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Cookie
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rus wrote >>
Bear wrote >>
Not alone:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/22/pols.dems.vandalized/Guess some people are still angry.
Who knew, right?I don't think you'd be so flip if the brickthrowers were, say, environmentalists.
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Bear
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Twixlen wrote >>
Also - yelling something like "Baby Killer" from the floor of the House of Representatives is something I can't even wrap my mind around. What ever happened to having a little friggin' class indeed.YES
I've been reluctant to say it because it sounds all
but, seriously, WTF? What the hell is wrong with people?
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berdawn
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Ah, Newt Gingrich...knew I could count on you for some reasoned insight and putting policy over party, "They will have destroyed their party much as Lyndon Johnson shattered the Democratic Party for 40 years with the enactment of civil rights legislation". I mean, fuck, it's not like that was important or anything.
all this has nothing to do with race, no matter how many times people call John Lewis words that rhyme with bigger.
http://www.andreaharner.com/archives/2004/11/free_vs_slave_states_fuck_the_south.htmlPosted 1 year ago #
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