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JonMyers
HCMC, Vietnam ✈
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MichaelC wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
Michael, unfortunately that's the issue, neither commission operates that way.What can we do to help, then, as citizens in the area?
Michael, you can show up to the meetings and get on the agenda to speak directly to the commission.
Most of those whom I spoke to last night had done just that.
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colrex7
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This is just my perspective...but in my urban design classes they teach us that historical architecture is in fact preserved more when located next to a new building that is more modern, rather than made to fit in. A lot of times, new buildings that try to fit in by mocking historical buildings in fact take away from the existing historical structures.
So in my personal opinion the Short North would benefit from having some structures that have a more modern feel to them. And...it's the Short North...so its okay to be a little out there with design. ;)
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JonMyers
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colrex7 wrote >>
This is just my perspective...but in my urban design classes they teach us that historical architecture is in fact preserved more when located next to a new building that is more modern, rather than made to fit in. A lot of times, new buildings that try to fit in by mocking historical buildings in fact take away from the existing historical structures.
So in my personal opinion the Short North would benefit from having some structures that have a more modern feel to them. And...it's the Short North...so its okay to be a little out there with design. ;)I agree and you're probably right.
I'm all for historical preservation. I'm not at all for those faux historical facades imposed by the commissions to "help buildings blend in", which look fake and tacky as hell. In fact, they probably drive value down rather than improve value.
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Tigertree
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I wish I had this months dwell with me so I could scan a shot in and post it. If you have it, there is a shot of a German street that is a mix of old architecture and modern architecture and it looks amazing. Saving old buildings and allowing contemporary buildings to go up in vacant lots and parking lots can exist together.
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econJoe
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econJoe
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JonMyers wrote >>
colrex7 wrote >>
This is just my perspective...but in my urban design classes they teach us that historical architecture is in fact preserved more when located next to a new building that is more modern, rather than made to fit in. A lot of times, new buildings that try to fit in by mocking historical buildings in fact take away from the existing historical structures.
So in my personal opinion the Short North would benefit from having some structures that have a more modern feel to them. And...it's the Short North...so its okay to be a little out there with design. ;)I agree and you're probably right.
I'm all for historical preservation. I'm not at all for those faux historical facades imposed to "help buildings blend in", which look fake and tacky as hell. In fact, they probably drive value down rather than improve value.There is nothing wrong with modern architecture. In the guidelines of the Victorian and Italian village commissions, developers are told to make new architecture look new. It's not about the modern look of the architecture, it's that a parking garage would hover over the UCT building and would be perfectly visible in Goodale park; a cheap mesh-covered parking garage would be built where something truly wonderful could be built by a more cooperative developer; half of a perfectly usable historical structure (the UCT building) would be torn down; etc.
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Mercurius
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econJoe wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
econJoe wrote >>
Our historical architectural review process in both Victorian and Italian villages is what has made the Short North the beautiful area that it is today.What is your point? Those are pre-architectural review.
Yeah I'd agree:
So what are the glaring problems of this hotel that it didn't get approved? Seems like you need someone to work with developers instead of against them.
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dru
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econJoe wrote >>
JonMyers wrote >>
colrex7 wrote >>
This is just my perspective...but in my urban design classes they teach us that historical architecture is in fact preserved more when located next to a new building that is more modern, rather than made to fit in. A lot of times, new buildings that try to fit in by mocking historical buildings in fact take away from the existing historical structures.
So in my personal opinion the Short North would benefit from having some structures that have a more modern feel to them. And...it's the Short North...so its okay to be a little out there with design. ;)I agree and you're probably right.
I'm all for historical preservation. I'm not at all for those faux historical facades imposed to "help buildings blend in", which look fake and tacky as hell. In fact, they probably drive value down rather than improve value.There is nothing wrong with modern architecture. In the guidelines of the Victorian and Italian village commissions, developers are told to make new architecture look new. It's not about the modern look of the architecture, it's that a parking garage would hover over the UCT building and would be perfectly visible in Goodale park; a cheap mesh-covered parking garage would be built where something truly wonderful could be built by a more cooperative developer; half of a perfectly usable historical structure (the UCT building) would be torn down; etc.
a. which dream developer?
b. you want to preserve the back 1/2 of this building? that's a gem of architecture. Mind you the UCT building is only 85-years old, and that back part is an extension that in now way mirrors that the front part that this plan preserves.
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econJoe
Victorian Village
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The UCT building has perfectly usable office space. The view of it from Park Street is great. It also has a wonderful ballroom on its top floor, which would be destroyed by the halving of it by the development.
@Tigertree, a parking garage in the Short North could be covered by a better looking, albeit more expensive, facade that the commission could approve. Pizzuti wants to go cheap on it though.
Also, this is prime land. We don't have to settle for the first developer who offers to build something on it. It's in one of the best spots in the neighborhood and along the Short North High Street area.
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econJoe
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And if Pizzuti does not want to follow the rules of the commission, it can easily fill in the space at the NE corner of 5th and High. But, no, it wants to be there in the best part of the Short North. Why!? Because it's extremely valuable land. Don't settle for the first seemingly nice thing that comes along.
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Mercurius
First Avenue
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econJoe wrote >>
albeit more expensive, facade that the commission could approve. Pizzuti wants to go cheap on it though.
Also, this is prime land. We don't have to settle for the first developer who offers to build something on it. It's in one of the best spots in the neighborhood and along the Short North High Street area.econJoe wrote >>
Why the animosity toward the commissions?Megalomania?
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econJoe
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JonMyers
HCMC, Vietnam ✈
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Tigertree wrote >>
@JonMyers, they way you are talking, it almost sounds like you think there may be other markets where they could invest their dollars?If I were a developer or said developer, I'd take my money elsewhere.
The sad thing is it's not just about money. It's a about a passion for the city of Columbus and doing something that is fueling this project from every single thing I've been hearing.
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