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myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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jpizzow said:
So that makes it ok to build something that does not fit in with the neighborhood at all. I guess I'm not understanding why this concept is so hard to understand. I'm beginning to wander how much market research they actually conducted in the Short North and surrounding areas before and after choosing this site. It did seem kind of odd to me right off the bat.

That wanting people to hear about it regardless of the approach works in places where the populace expects to be insulted on a regular basis (the coasts). They still show up after you open.

If that was even remotely the case here, BoMA (insert overly aggressive non-native idea here) would still be around.

Posted 11 months ago #
labi
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groundrules said:
Maybe you're just gonna have to wait a minute:

Dispatch »
The Los Angeles-based AIDS Healthcare Foundation will present its new plans before the University Area Review Board on Thursday.

That was a weird thing about the article, though - in a situation like this one, when AHF says "we've made changes" and the reporter doesn't immediately ask "what changes have you made" I'm left wondering what the story is really about, and why they'd have run it 3 days before the meeting (instead of afterward, when they'd be able to tell the rest of the city what the changes are.) It's not really reporting anything.

Anyway, we can all go to the UARB meeting ourselves and find out what the changes are. Thursday June 28 at 6:30, Northside Library (on High Street across the street from the Short North Kroger).

(Another funny thing - AHF pulled the same "WE DEMAND AN UP OR DOWN VOTE" cry of injustice at the last UARB meeting. Then the UARB chair clarified that an up or down vote that night would most definitely result in a down, after which AHF would have to totally rework the project before approaching the board again. Then AHF thought perhaps the matter could be tabled until June.)

Posted 11 months ago #
MichaelC
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This gentleman does not strike me as the most capable ambassador of his project.

(1) Accuse the people from whom you need approval of bigotry;
(2) Bemoan not having been offered a red carpet;
(3) Respond negatively to any and all constructive criticism.

That's now how alliances are made, IMO.

Posted 11 months ago #
shirtandpants

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The more this guy talks, the more I want this project to not get off the ground. Yeesh.

yeah, because who cares about people with HIV and AIDS when one guy is an asshole?

Posted 11 months ago #
myliftkk
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shirtandpants said:

The more this guy talks, the more I want this project to not get off the ground. Yeesh.

yeah, because who cares about people with HIV and AIDS when one guy is an asshole?

Yeah, I know, right. Cause there's like no other groups in town that care about them or have assisting/testing as their mission.

Posted 11 months ago #
labi
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shirtandpants said:

The more this guy talks, the more I want this project to not get off the ground. Yeesh.

yeah, because who cares about people with HIV and AIDS when one guy is an asshole?

Oh, it's way more than just one guy. But the thing is, by behaving this way, they're only causing themselves more problems. If they really wanted to serve their cause best, they'd act more constructive, instead of complaining nonstop about how unfair it all is.

Posted 11 months ago #
cheap
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MichaelC said:
This gentleman does not strike me as the most capable ambassador of his project.

(1) Accuse the people from whom you need approval of bigotry;
(2) Bemoan not having been offered a red carpet;
(3) Respond negatively to any and all constructive criticism.

That's now how alliances are made, IMO.

this is a classic clash between an org that thinks they are always the victim,and a neighborhood org that thinks their shit doesn't stink.

Posted 11 months ago #
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Redesigned plans get OK for HIV/AIDS clinic in University District
By Lucas Sullivan
The Columbus Dispatch
Wednesday July 4, 2012 11:17 PM

A national gay-advocacy group for people with HIV and AIDS has received approval to build a medical clinic and thrift store in the University District just north of downtown Columbus.

At last week’s meeting, the building’s architect submitted a redesign for a structure as high as 45 feet. That plan received the approval of the review board. Most of the structure will have oyster-gray brick with magenta stucco insets, a much quieter design than some of the all-pink clinics the foundation operates across the country.

Weinstein said he hopes to start construction on the building this summer, with a tentative plan to open it in early December.

READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/07/05/redesigned-plans-for-aids-clinic-gets-ok.html

Posted 10 months ago #
labi
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It's true that the building design was approved, but there were significant conditions attached to that approval. The landscape plan was one of those conditions, but the others include moving the accent colors to the pedestrian level of the facade, changing how the area around the curb cut (which will remain) is handled, changing how the signage is handled on the tower, and using a combination of smooth and rock-faced brick on the facade.

I think the article is weird in how it only mentions the letter of support from the Harrison West Society, when there were also letters from a coalition of other Short North neighborhoods and business associations, as well as the one from the Weinland Park Community Civic Association.

But whatever - the big thing in my mind is how VERY much better the current iteration of the building is than the one that was originally proposed. I think this is really a success story.

Posted 10 months ago #
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
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So it's going to have a "tower" but not be a multi-story building?

Would be nice if there was a rendering out there somewhere...

Posted 10 months ago #
jimbach
Your father's Short North
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They brought a rendering to the meeting (obviously), but I guess the Dispatch can't be bothered to get a copy of it.

Posted 10 months ago #
columbusmike

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Like this?

Posted 10 months ago #
jimbach
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Exactly!

Although that's not how the building will ultimately look.

Posted 10 months ago #
columbusmike

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jimbach said:
Exactly!

Although that's not how the building will ultimately look.

Can you explain?

I think we'd all prefer to see a taller, mixed-use project on this corner, but I have to say they've resolved a lot of the design issues and have come up with a pretty realistic and reasonable solution. The important thing was for them to maintain a storefront, mute the unprecedented stucco treatment, and add some more traditional building language that is common along High Street. From what I can see, I think both owners and residents in the area will be pleased with this project.

Posted 10 months ago #
ntn4502
Italian Village
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I had always thought that the Short North was great but severely lacking a lighthouse...

Posted 10 months ago #
columbusmike

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ntn4502 said:
I had always thought that the Short North was great but severely lacking a lighthouse...

I'm not a fan of the "lighthouse" element either, but it's pretty traditional to have a played-up corner element - although corner entries never really work all that well logistically.

Posted 10 months ago #
jimbach
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columbusmike said:
Can you explain?

labi covered all that a few posts above.

I agree, it's much improved, and the additional changes will improve it further.

Posted 10 months ago #
mrpoppinzs
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good to hear!

Posted 10 months ago #
joshlapp
Short North
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jimbach said:
labi covered all that a few posts above.

I agree, it's much improved, and the additional changes will improve it further.

One suggestion made by the review board members was to use steel frame construction which would allow additional stories to be added in the event of redevelopment of the site down the road. Probably unlikely coming from this company but it would allow the same thing to take place here as happened to the Northstar building.

Posted 10 months ago #
cheap
Westgate
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columbusmike said:

I think we'd all prefer to see a taller, mixed-use project on this corner

who is "we"?

Posted 10 months ago #