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ODOT Proposal for new I-71 / Rt 36/37 Interchange
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Core_Models
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Posted 12 months ago # -
ZHC
101 East Main Street, Downtown
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I think you're mostly rightbut I'm not sure I agree with that entirely. What's different in the last ten years or so is retail jobs and retail activity for the MSA is moving out of the county now in meaningful numbers.
One of the recent chamber reports on retail activity shows the effect of Polaris etc pretty clearly. And with the recent population gains in Delaware I'm not sure Polaris would be the "loser" in this deal as opposed to some of the older retail areas to the south. Easton isn't sweating bullets about increased interest on rt 256/I 70, I imagine Polaris is in a similiar position.
In any event that's potentially a loss of tax money for infrastructure etc in Franklin County, whether it be the suburbs or urban areas if Delaware county gets new burst of activity.
Hard to say what the effect or how large it will be, until there is clearer picture of what might come in this rt 37 project. If it's not a regional puller like Easton or Polaris, the effect might not be as drastic.
Posted 12 months ago # -
Walker
The KLD / Downtown
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Lack of I-270 ramp hurts Eastland Mall
Monday, May 30, 2011Why are there no on-off ramps at S. Hamilton Road and I-270? I live in Portsmouth so I have no vested interest in this, but I have wondered about it for 30 years or more. Imagine the billions of dollars lost by Eastland Mall and the surrounding businesses over many years. Now the area is in rapid decline and becoming crime-ridden. Each time my wife and I drive on Hamilton Road, we notice another business closed.
Posted 12 months ago # -
CalebR
Lincoln Village
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Walker wrote >>
Lack of I-270 ramp hurts Eastland Mall
Monday, May 30, 2011
Why are there no on-off ramps at S. Hamilton Road and I-270? I live in Portsmouth so I have no vested interest in this, but I have wondered about it for 30 years or more. Imagine the billions of dollars lost by Eastland Mall and the surrounding businesses over many years. Now the area is in rapid decline and becoming crime-ridden. Each time my wife and I drive on Hamilton Road, we notice another business closed.
READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2011/05/30/lack-of-i-270-ramp-hurts-eastland-mall.html?sid=101I've wondered that to.. and yes it can be done. Even I can think of something. And yes I have a picture :)
Posted 12 months ago # -
GCrites80s
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bman's "almost all people want sprawl" argument always gives me a laugh. Why? I see it around here and there, and it assumes that all people make their decisions using perfect information based purely on logic rather than emotion. If that were true, the fields of marketing and advertising wouldn't exist and sales techniques would consist only of explaining how a product works and filling out paperwork.
Fact is, people usually "want" what is sold to them, and our society was (and is) extremely good at selling suburban sprawl development.
But according to the "wants" argument, if you work in sales, marketing or advertising, or hire those services, you are wasting your time effort and money since you'll never be able to overcome people's ironclad, purely-logical "wants".
Posted 12 months ago # -
johnwirtz
Evanston, IL
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Walker wrote >>
Lack of I-270 ramp hurts Eastland Mall
Monday, May 30, 2011
Why are there no on-off ramps at S. Hamilton Road and I-270? I live in Portsmouth so I have no vested interest in this, but I have wondered about it for 30 years or more.
READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2011/05/30/lack-of-i-270-ramp-hurts-eastland-mall.html?sid=101I can speculate on this.
The first obvious reason there are no ramps to Hamilton Rd is that there's no space to build ramps directly to Hamilton Road with Refugee Road in the way. You could solve that problem by building two ramps to Hamilton and two to Refugee, but that would create new intersections that are too close to the intersection of Hamilton & Refugee to function well.
A creative solution like Caleb's would certainly be feasible (although perhaps not prudent due to possible Section 4f and other environmental impacts). However, the I-270 interechange with US-33 is more important than Hamilton Rd and is only 0.9 miles to the south. The preferred standard spacing for urban freeway interchanges is no closer than every two miles (although there are clearly exceptions). When you violate this standard (like the Split), it can create what is officially called "weaving" areas, where lots of entering traffic merges across exiting traffic and you end up with congestion. So basically, I suspect that ODOT isn't willing to create a new congestion problem to fix something that really isn't much of a problem considering that the interchange of I-70 & Hamilton Rd is only a mile to the north of Eastland and US-33 & Hamilton is less than two miles south of Eastland.
Also, ODOT shouldn't be responsbile for building interchanges everywhere some developer wants to put a mall (although sometimes it seems like they do).
Posted 12 months ago # -
Walker
The KLD / Downtown
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New interchange could bring growth to area
Friday, May 27, 2011
By SARAH SOLE
ThisWeek Community NewspapersConstruction is not likely for another three years, but the Ohio Department of Transportation expects to make decisions this year that could lead to a second Interstate 71 exit near U.S. Route 36.
During their May 23 work session, Delaware County commissioners discussed an economic impact study that says a second I-71 interchange could generate nearly $1 billion a year by 2030 for the area.
Posted 11 months ago # -
Walker
The KLD / Downtown
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Building More Roads Only Causes More Traffic
BY ARIEL SCHWARTZThu Jun 2, 2011The disheartening study used data from hundreds of metro areas in the U.S. to reach the conclusion that there is a "fundamental law of highway congestion," which essentially says that people drive more when there are more roads to drive on--no matter how much traffic there is. As a result, increased building of "interstate highways and major urban roads is unlikely to relieve congestion of these roads."
READ MORE: http://www.fastcompany.com/1756746/building-more-roads-causes-traffic-study
Posted 11 months ago # -
Analogue Kid
5th by West-Northwest
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MORPC is seeking comments on prioritizing 10 transportation projects, including the I-71/US 36/SR 37 interchange in Delaware County.
You have the opportunity to comment on which projects you think are the most important, those that are less so, and those shouldn't be funded at all.
More information can be had here: http://www.morpc.org/transportation/funding/TRAC.asp
Comments should be sent to dhaake@morpc.org and ngill@morpc.org no later than September 14.
Posted 9 months ago # -
johnwirtz
Evanston, IL
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Does TRAC still matter, or do they just do whatever the Governor wants?
Posted 9 months ago # -
Analogue Kid
5th by West-Northwest
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johnwirtz said:
Does TRAC still matter, or do they just do whatever the Governor wants?Good point, but it can't hurt to at least voice an opinion.
Posted 9 months ago # -
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Study favors new I-71 exit south of Rts. 36/37
By Allison Manning
The Columbus Dispatch
Wednesday October 19, 2011 5:40 AM
DELAWARE, Ohio — Officials agree that Delaware County needs another exit off I-71. How to pay for it and exactly where to build it remain open questions.
The Ohio Department of Transportation has finished its studies of the interchange at I-71 and Rts. 36/37, presenting the findings to local officials, developers and other interested parties last week.
READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2011/10/19/study-favors-exit-south-of-rts--3637.htmlPosted 7 months ago # -
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ODOT aims to keep Sunbury businesses in loop on I-71 work
By Allison Manning
The Columbus Dispatch
Thursday January 19, 2012 4:24 AMMore than 28,000 drivers travel on I-71 via Rts. 36/37 every day in Sunbury. Many of them stop to get gas or a bite to eat or to shop. With major safety improvements that will reconfigure traffic slated for this year, Ohio Department of Transportation officials want to make sure business owners in the area know what to expect and don’t lose any of that business.
READ MORE: http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/01/19/odot-aims-to-keep-sunbury-businesses-in-loop-on-i-71-work.htmlPosted 4 months ago #
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