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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-campaign17apr17,0,4330133.story
WASHINGTON -- Bruce Springsteen, the rocker who made "Born in the USA" a signature of working-class pride, endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president today.
"He has the depth, the reflectiveness and the resilience to be our next president," Springsteen said in a letter posted on his website and distributed by the Obama campaign. "He speaks to the American I've envisioned in my music for the past 35 years, a generous nation with a citizenry willing to tackle nuanced and complex problems, a country that's interested in its collective destiny and in the potential of its gathered spirit, a place where 'nobody crowds you, and nobody goes it alone.' "
Springsteen did not mention Obama's Democratic rival, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, by name. But the bard of New Jersey, who has written lyrics about the economically devastated towns of the Northeast, seemed to challenge her recent criticisms of Obama for saying that working-class Americans are bitter about their financial hardships, and for fanning the controversy over Obama's involvement with the fiery Rev. Jeremiah Wright..
"Critics have tried to diminish Sen. Obama through the exaggeration of certain of his comments and relationships," Springsteen said in his letter. "While these matters are worthy of some discussion, they have been ripped out of the context and fabric of the man's life and vision ... often in order to distract us from discussing the real issues."

Posted 4 years ago #
Ashland
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The Boss is not the same man he was 30 years ago. You can tell by the garbage music he puts out now.

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Ashland wrote The Boss is not the same man he was 30 years ago. You can tell by the garbage music he puts out now.
:shock: Magic was a terrific album.

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jazzypants
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Did you see that review in Alive/Other paper (I forget) that said he was shooting snot rockets on stage?
ew.

Posted 4 years ago #
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I hate to say this (particularly since I voted for Obama in the primary), but I think he's toast. There's still a chance he could still get the Dem nomination, but I strongly suspect that his most recent comments have sunk him in the general election should he make it that far.
I was actually pissed off at him after I heard what he said... not particularly because of how the content of it struck me (though being of rural origins I can tell you it was astonishingly inaccurate), but because I couldn't imagine any politician being so stupid as to say such a thing out loud. It was as if he thought to himself, "how can I piss off gun owners, anyone with religion, and anyone not in spitting distance of saltwater all at once?" Great move for someone whose fate rests on exactly those people.
GAH! Stick a fork in him.

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Brewmaster
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I thought his comments were right on point. It sucks that you can't be honest when on the campaign trail.

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joev
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It's kind of the perfect storm against him: he said it in San Francisco for Christ-sakes.
I'm not a Obama supporter, but it's hard for me to think he actually meant what he said. He hasn't been a blueblood his whole life. But maybe living that lifestyle for 10 or 15 years or whatever has made him more elitist. He sounded just like Teresa Heinz Kerry. McCain is going to profit so much from that, especially since he identified people in specific swing states. Ouch. Tone deaf. Also, I don't care what Bruce Springsteen thinks about anything, especially politics. He is as much a "salt of the earth" person as Donald Trump.
This was his windsurfing moment.

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Brewmaster wrote I thought his comments were right on point. It sucks that you can't be honest when on the campaign trail.
Agreed, not to mention the overnight polling shows Hillary's negatives went up post comments...and Obama gained even more both in PA and nationally.
Just wait till the debate tonight, not to mention this spot starts airing (oh, and the Pittsburgh paper endorsed him today too)..

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Porky
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While I agree that there was air of truth to what he said... his comments still ring of condescension.
It just sounds like someone who is looking down thier nose at those ignorant hilljacks in the midwest. And to say it in closed door meeting in SF didn't help since a lot of those folks already have that idea about midwesterners anyway.

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Porky wrote While I agree that there was air of truth to what he said... his comments still ring of condescension.
It just sounds like someone who is looking down thier nose at those ignorant hilljacks in the midwest. And to say it in closed door meeting in SF didn't help since a lot of those folks already have that idea about midwesterners anyway.
Not sure I blame him...
Ohio Primary:
Columbus: 13 point win for Obama
Cleveland: 13 point win for Obama
Cincinnati: 23 point win for Obama
Overall state: 10 point win for Clinton

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Brewmaster wrote I thought his comments were right on point. It sucks that you can't be honest when on the campaign trail.
You can't be serious.
Christianity grew by leaps and bounds in the '90's (which, contra Obama, was a period of extraordinary growth) but it didn't particularly grow in rural areas - didn't need to, it was always there. To suggest that the rural folk are 'clinging' to it now due to economic deprivations is ridiculous.
As is the assertion about guns. They've always been there. Hunting is a given in rural areas, and has been since the beginning of the country.
As a gun-free agnostic, it's really not that big of a deal to me. As someone who hates to watch the Democratic party constantly make major unforced errors and *constantly* snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it is a big deal. The depth of the stupidity of Obama's comments (both factually and tactically) is not to be underestimated.

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Brewmaster
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I think he meant that they vote on single issues that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
I've got family members and friends in very rural areas that vote based on gun rights, or religous affiliation. They do this because they're apathetic or have been too turned off by washington to figure out what's actually going on there. Budgets and the intricacies of our healthcare system are either too complex or require too much of an effort to figure out. They end up "clinging" (poor choice of words) to a single issue that isn't likely to change anyway.

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joev
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Drew wrote
Brewmaster wrote I thought his comments were right on point. It sucks that you can't be honest when on the campaign trail.
You can't be serious.
Christianity grew by leaps and bounds in the '90's (which, contra Obama, was a period of extraordinary growth) but it didn't particularly grow in rural areas - didn't need to, it was always there. To suggest that the rural folk are 'clinging' to it now due to economic deprivations is ridiculous.
As is the assertion about guns. They've always been there. Hunting is a given in rural areas, and has been since the beginning of the country.
As a gun-free agnostic, it's really not that big of a deal to me. As someone who hates to watch the Democratic party constantly make major unforced errors and *constantly* snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, it is a big deal. The depth of the stupidity of Obama's comments (both factually and tactically) is not to be underestimated.
Brewmaster - do you think rural people are dumb? That's basically what Obama's statements boil down to. That they are economically depressed and they are misplacing their rage into fervent support of gun rights, religion and pro-life views? That is the biggest load of elitist shit I've heard from someone who thinks he's in touch with the pulse of that nation.
It's fine if he was being honest about his opinion on that matter. I want to hear more. I'm a swing voter with a rural background and I haven't found a lot of reasons to swing toward Obama.

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joev wrote Brewmaster - do you think rural people are dumb? That's basically what Obama's statements boil down to. That they are economically depressed and they are misplacing their rage into fervent support of gun rights, religion and pro-life views?
I'd say in a lot of cases, yes...particularly immigration issues. I think watching that 60 Minutes segment of the small town Ohio voter saying he liked Obama until he found out he was a Muslim sleeper agent basically pretty much said it all.

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Brewmaster
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I don't think that rural people are dumb. I also don't think the stereotype fits of them being economically depressed. I think they're disinterested in the complex issues that we face, so they simplify their voting principles into issues like guns, religion, etc...

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Coremodels wrote
joev wrote Brewmaster - do you think rural people are dumb? That's basically what Obama's statements boil down to. That they are economically depressed and they are misplacing their rage into fervent support of gun rights, religion and pro-life views?
I'd say in a lot of cases, yes...particularly immigration issues. I think watching that 60 Minutes segment of the small town Ohio voter saying he liked Obama until he found out he was a Muslim sleeper agent basically pretty much said it all.
If that's Obama's attitude, and he thinks it's truth, that's a problem. You can think some is wrong without thinking they are dumb. I have seen no indication that he can unite the country AT ALL, especially with thinking like this. I think more immigration would be a good thing. I think abortion is a bad thing. I think free trade is a good thing, and I think guns are a bad thing. If I voted based on that, there would be no candidate left to choose. Single issue voters are rare in my experience.

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Brewmaster wrote I think he meant that they vote on single issues that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
I've got family members and friends in very rural areas that vote based on gun rights, or religous affiliation. They do this because they're apathetic or have been too turned off by washington to figure out what's actually going on there. Budgets and the intricacies of our healthcare system are either too complex or require too much of an effort to figure out. They end up "clinging" (poor choice of words) to a single issue that isn't likely to change anyway.
Lets cut to the chase here-
Is it EVER smart to make unflattering generalizations about a huge swath of the electorate in the midst of a presidential campaign?
I mean, c'mon... this isn't just about rural people... O's words resonate negatively with anyone who owns a gun (which is a huge and motivated interest group that most politicians are loathe to fuck with) and anyone with religious beliefs (which in an astonishingly obvious manner circles back neatly to Obama's issues with his own church...).
Again, generally speaking I'd be the last to care if someone's throwing punches at these groups, but... for fuck's sake... more Dem self-immolation?

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Brewmaster
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Language.
I'm just saying that I think he made some fairly accurate generalizations. Using words like "clinging" was a poor choice though.
Lets face it, he wasn't getting those voters anyway.

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Ashland wrote The Boss is not the same man he was 30 years ago. You can tell by the garbage music he puts out now.
+1...ooopss sorry, why so negative Ashland?

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joev
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Brewmaster wrote Language.
I'm just saying that I think he made some fairly accurate generalizations. Using words like "clinging" was a poor choice though.
Lets face it, he wasn't getting those voters anyway.
He wasn't getting those voters, but now he's also not getting those voters' kids or nieces and nephews or friends, who may have voted for him. I'm just saying, McCain is looking pretty good right now, especially if he keeps closer to the center, where I think he's moving back to.

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