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That's what Mel Gibson said...
I'm waiting to see how this nutjob is spun into a "right wing nutjob". Because all nutjobs are right wing. Always.
yeah, terry nichols and tim mcvey were clearly commies
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Rockmastermike
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Posted 1 year ago # -
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
rus wrote >>
That's what Mel Gibson said...
I'm waiting to see how this nutjob is spun into a "right wing nutjob". Because all nutjobs are right wing. Always.yeah, terry nichols and tim mcvey were clearly commies
Which is an argument that some nutjobs are right wing, sure. No argument.
But lets not let anyone off the hook because they come from the other shallow end of the gene pool, eh?
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rus wrote >>
Rockmastermike wrote >>
rus wrote >>
That's what Mel Gibson said...
I'm waiting to see how this nutjob is spun into a "right wing nutjob". Because all nutjobs are right wing. Always.yeah, terry nichols and tim mcvey were clearly commies
Which is an argument that some nutjobs are right wing, sure. No argument.
But lets not let anyone off the hook because they come from the other shallow end of the gene pool, eh?I'm not.
I'm actually here trying to think of any that have been badly miscatagorized by the media and am coming up blank. Can you name some? I mean the only "right wing" nutjobs I can even think of right now are them and some abortion clinic bombers. Altough, i guess some of the religious nuts end up getting lumped in as 'right wingers'. Koresh was not so much 'right' as he was a religious nutter.
the only crazy lefties I can think of (until this guy) have been the idiots who attack animal testing labs and the antidevelopment arsonists, who are usually part of groups that have been pretty accurately portrayed by the media. It seems the lefties have been fairly quiet since the Unibomber, the Weather Underground and the Red Army Faction.
(I mean recent nut jobs, the last 20 years)
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the only crazy lefties I can think of (until this guy) have been the idiots who attack animal testing labs and the antidevelopment arsonists, who are usually part of groups that have been pretty accurately portrayed by the media. It seems the lefties have been fairly quiet since the Unibomber, the Weather Underground and the Red Army Faction.
(I mean recent nut jobs, the last 20 years)Same ones I think of when I think of left wing nutters. Them and the anti-whaling crew. Get tired of hearing how they're not really nutters since no one was killed, it was just property damage, it's different because it's for the animals, etc. .
The anti-abortion ones are kinda a draw, eh? Religious motivated gets weird quick if you're using a right/left yardstick. I tend to lump 'em on the right wing side since the moral majority when R back in the 80's, but that's not always a good fit.
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the only crazy lefties I can think of (until this guy) have been the idiots who attack animal testing labs and the antidevelopment arsonists, who are usually part of groups that have been pretty accurately portrayed by the media. It seems the lefties have been fairly quiet since the Unibomber, the Weather Underground and the Red Army Faction.
(I mean recent nut jobs, the last 20 years)Same ones I think of when I think of left wing nutters. Them and the anti-whaling crew. Get tired of hearing how they're not really nutters since no one was killed, it was just property damage, it's different because it's for the animals, etc. .
The anti-abortion ones are kinda a draw, eh? Religious motivated gets weird quick if you're using a right/left yardstick. I tend to lump 'em on the right wing side since the moral majority when R back in the 80's, but that's not always a good fit.it gets weird with the animal rights and anti whaling crew too, since that's not strictly limited to an economic 'left/right' view either.
Really, though, I think it's safe to define a continuum of 'nutjobness' and people who blow things up or shoot someone are, IMHO way farther up on the scale of nutjobness than someone who damages property. Arson is way up there too, IMO.
Yes. Definitely hard to make a clear distinction with the religious nutters. I honestly cannot remember how much the press portrayed Koresh as right wing or if it was just the association with future right wing nutjobs like Mcvey/Nicholes who took him as one of their own martyrs. When I was on "that side" I remember some of the right wingers I knew took the waco incident as a catalyst for going pretty nuts. It's part of why I refuse to categorically take either side anymore - too many wingnuts on both ends who either openly or covertly support this kind of crap.
Of course a lot of racist groups and "Militia" groups use religious symbolics, and they would probably self identify as 'right' (even though most of these bunch probably couldn't spell the word "Economics"). But I think we're talking about 'lone wolf' nutjobs more than groups. Besides, those guys are usually pretty 'obvious' and not mis-catagorized.
seriously, though, can you name any that have been really mis-categorized by the press? I cannot. I would like to compile a list of nutjobs and take some statistics. It might make for a really interesting project and may be a way of offering some evidence (one way or the other) for those who say the 'media' is skewed one way or the other. I've heard a lot of claims of bias from both sides lately, but nobody offers any real evidence.
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Koresh, as I recall, was portrayed as right wing. Jesus nutters must be right wing, eh? I don't know if politics ever entered into his "thinking", really.
For nutters, you might start here:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/dt/fug_dt.htm
Good list, but note the omissions here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States
Like, for instance:
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I'm just partial to thinking that by being a good person and trying to hold right view, I'm doing my part. That is hard enough, and dare I say it, a lot harder than blowing stuff up or taking hostages.
I mean, why can't people like this just go volunteer somewhere? What a waste. There's a lot of good work to be done if you just get off your keester and stop pointing the finger at other people (i.e. The Discovery Channel--seriously?).
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I'm only half-joking, I really do act as an agent of nature. It's an old joke between my sister and I from 35 years ago, but now it has come to pass. I run the Friends of the Scioto River, and our group has been organizing service events for the last five years. There is a lot of volunteer energy in town, and the agent's task is to negotiate arrangements between the volunteers, the city officials, and the needs of the watershed.
It beats sitting in a cubicle.
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rus wrote >>
Koresh, as I recall, was portrayed as right wing. Jesus nutters must be right wing, eh? I don't know if politics ever entered into his "thinking", really.
For nutters, you might start here:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/fugitives/dt/fug_dt.htm
Good list, but note the omissions here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States
Like, for instance:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/ecoterrorism.asp?learn_cat=extremism&learn_subcat=extremism_in_america&xpicked=4&item=ecoyeah... i've spent some time considering this... too much time at this point.
I would take the FBI list as valid. You can't take anything on wikipedia very seriously at all about anything like this. Don't even bother. It's ok for looking up the melting point of beryllium (1551.15 K at SP) but worthless and stupid for anything involving anything like this. I'm not even going to bother looking at those links, I'm sure they're as shitty as most of wikipedia and have probably been edited 29 times since you pasted them here. Hell, I have no way of knowing you didn't edit them yourself (not that I think you would bother)!
Besides, we were talking about the media, not "what some guy on the internets" thinks.
In any case, I'm not sure the fort hood shooter (another religious nutjob) can be classified by 'left/right' terms any more than Koresh can really be accurately classified except that Koresh became a kind of weird 'rallying point' for right wing nutjobs like McVey. But that's guilt by association.
With islamic terrorists it's even less clear since islamic law is even more socially conservative than most (but not all) 'right wingers' would be comfortable with. They look REALLY right wing to me, but NOT economically. The mandatory charitable giving to the poor that is one of the pillars of islam would probably seem like leftist 'redistribution of wealth' to a lot of right wingers in this country. To me, an athiest, all these religious nutjobs look about the same to me. All detestable and neither clearly 'right' nor 'left'. So I'm gonna take all of them off the table and just call them "religious wackjobs".
I also see right wingers disavowing some of these religious wackjobs. Which kind of makes me LOL given how much they gravitated towards Koresh in the 90s, but I'm gonna go along with them disavowing these people. Of course most of these reports are associated with other reports of people acting all butthurt about the DHS saying right wing groups are becoming more of a danger. I havn't seen the evidence that claim is based on, so I don't want to get into a discussion on it's veracity. It did a great job trolling the fox news commentators though.
I'm also not entirely sure environmental nutjobs can be classified in 'left/right' either unless the group makes a statement about the government. Just being angry at a developer or a logger doesn't always = 'commie' even though the 'left' has (in theory more than actual practice) co-opted the environmental movement. Especially after the death of the McCain-Leiberman Climate Stewardship Bill (Cap and trade) that McCain abandoned just before the 08 campaign started, which might have allowed the GOP to claim huge environmentalist cred. But i digress... But, I'm gonna say it really is a strong enough association and most people buy into it and seem to just KNOW these are left wing groups. So I'm gonna go along with that too. I note the ELF folks and others of these groups are well represented on the FBI list and the Department of Homeland Security list.
It's interesting though, with a quick google search, i'm seeing the "democratic underground" and other bloggie things complaining that while ELF and other 'left' groups are listed with the DHS that 'right wing groups' are not. I also see various right wing groups ("rightwingnews.com"...well THAT name sure lays it on the table. I respect honesty) complaining that there arn't enough left wing groups listed on the DHS lists. LOL
I'm inclined at this point to disbelieve these claims on both sides. Also, I'm inclined now, after looking into it and a buttload of googling and reading a lot of really silly and stupid crap, to disbelieve that anyone is being misrepresented as either 'right' or 'left' in the press. If anything, all I'm seeing are reports written in somewhat questionable internet media outlets highlighting these kinds of associations to make their own points, conspiracy theory style trying to 'trace' associations "to the top".
The actual journalistic media seems far more guarded about making these kinds of associations. I gotta say they might be doing something right as much as it pains me to admit that.
I call 'internet LULZ and propaganda' on both sides! I recommend adding it to your mental 'bullshit' filter.
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I call 'internet LULZ and propaganda' on both sides! I recommend adding it to your mental 'bullshit' filter.If all that means you no longer see "right wing whackos" and "left wing whackos", but just "whackos"... fair enough.
It's not that I don't see that there are clearly both left and right wing whackos, it's just that I think there too many of both and an even greater number that either neither side can really claim OR that neither side can really clearly disavow.
Lets just say I'm tired of following google links about whackos and trying to track 'em down. it's making me think the whole stupid country are insane wing-nuts, when, I hope, it's just a loud minority.
I'm gonna go out to the Millersburg Sweet Corn Fest and eat some corn and try to chill out a bit. Seeya round, CU
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