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Walker wrote >>
10sun wrote >>
The money wasn't there.His prices were too low.
Those Lake Erie prices.
I'd open up for real if I had my own location, the capital to do it, but I am going to stick with pedicabbing for the time being.
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Bagels By Captain Cream Cheese - New in Short North
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cyclist II
Short North & Peach District
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Posted 2 years ago # -
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
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cyclist II wrote >>
Walker wrote >>
10sun wrote >>
The money wasn't there.His prices were too low.
Those Lake Erie prices.
I'd open up for real if I had my own location, the capital to do it, but I am going to stick with pedicabbing for the time being.You should talk to ECDI, put together a business plan, take out a microloan to start up a food cart (could be bike powered), run it all summer in 2011, build capital, and then look into opening a real location in 2012.
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Talcott
Clintonville
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Walker wrote >>
cyclist II wrote >>
Walker wrote >>
10sun wrote >>
The money wasn't there.His prices were too low.
Those Lake Erie prices.
I'd open up for real if I had my own location, the capital to do it, but I am going to stick with pedicabbing for the time being.You should talk to ECDI, put together a business plan, take out a microloan to start up a food cart (could be bike powered), run it all summer in 2011, build capital, and then look into opening a real location in 2012.
A good bagel cart would definitely see some of my money.
Posted 2 years ago # -
cyclist II
Short North & Peach District
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not carts. I'd need a bakery.
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placebohigh
The Short North
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Get your bagels in the new Jury Room for breakfast! Yum!
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Chris Sherman
East Franklinton
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i think this conversation is pretty much dead... not trying to speak for the captain.... i dont think it was very profitable in the mode it was operating in. to change the mode would have required a decent chunk of change and the motivation. i know i wouldn't want to get up at 4am to sell 50 dollars worth of bagels all day. would you? i know it could have grown but i don't think that was the intention.
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Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
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Yeah but I think the fact that some people want to see it resurrected says a lot. The few times I had his bagels, they were pretty amazing. Just hard for me to get to.
Anyway, any baker should be expected to start their work day somewhere between midnight and 4am. That's the nature of the beast.
As far as Captain Cream Cheese goes, I think people would have paid at least double his prices, and the location was terrible. A breakfast business reliant on foot traffic should be located where people can get to it on their way to work. A good small space Downtown would make a lot more sense. Beyond that, I imagine there could be a decent market in wholesale operations to other businesses, restaurants or retail outlets that would require manning a retail operation at all. Those I imagine Zach enjoys the interface with his customers. ;)
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cyclist II
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People constantly ask about the bagels still and what my hours are even though its been closed since June.
The point of the the shop the whole time was to keep me busy and provide a little income out of pedicab season. It was kind of intended to be a short-term thing.... But I may open up a real shop in the future, its an avenue I could expand on. I opened up 10 days after I came up with the idea and made my first bagel ever. I think I spent about $550 to start-up.
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cyclist II
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The recipe is for sale. $37,000,000
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Chris Sherman
East Franklinton
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Walker wrote >>
Yeah but I think the fact that some people want to see it resurrected says a lot. The few times I had his bagels, they were pretty amazing. Just hard for me to get to.
Anyway, any baker should be expected to start their work day somewhere between midnight and 4am. That's the nature of the beast.
As far as Captain Cream Cheese goes, I think people would have paid at least double his prices, and the location was terrible. A breakfast business reliant on foot traffic should be located where people can get to it on their way to work. A good small space Downtown would make a lot more sense. Beyond that, I imagine there could be a decent market in wholesale operations to other businesses, restaurants or retail outlets that would require manning a retail operation at all. Those I imagine Zach enjoys the interface with his customers. ;)i have done my share of 3rd shift operations don't get me wrong, but if i only had to look forward to 40 or 50 dollars at the end of the day, forget about it... location really wasn't that bad, not great but it had parking. Mikey is renovating a dining room in the space next to him. if the captain decides to open back up then im going to loose a great employee... im being selfish i know.
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Walker
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Chris Sherman wrote >>
i have done my share of 3rd shift operations don't get me wrong, but if i only had to look forward to 40 or 50 dollars at the end of the day, forget about it...Well, like I said... his prices were too low. ;)
Chris Sherman wrote >>
location really wasn't that bad, not great but it had parking.I don't think parking was the issue. The problem is that the Short North is sleepy in the morning, and the morning is when people are eating bagels. The location works great for Late Night Slice because the area is more active at night.
I'm just doing some armchair anaylsis here, but if I were to open a breakfast-oriented quick-serve concept, it most certainly would be located near a business district or business center (or maybe even OSU), where people up and awake and looking for coffee, bagels, etc could be found. The Short North is not the right place for that kind of concept. Especially when people are already used to the small bit of breakfast competition the area already has (Northstar & Cup O Joe).
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Chris Sherman
East Franklinton
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i agree, the short north has always been a bit on the sleepy side in the morning. i think that is the main reason why no one has really done a breakfast joint or open for breakfast during the week. my suggestion awhile ago were to make the bagels off site and sell them in various coffee shops that dont have bagels. i even offered my garage, i wanted to buy a bunch of used residential stoves, rig them up in my garage and start cranking them out. obviously the health dept would frown on that but its a start. i think if he had access to a large commercial oven and some help it could have really taken off. if you sold wholesale bagels at 50 cents a piece you would still have to sell hundreds a day to even dream of making a livable income. im not sure what retailers pay for bagels.
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lazyfish
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great bagels, loved the Captain, thought the price point was good, the real issue was not enough customers. since the clintonville north high white castle has closed, maybe the short north one is next and the captain can capitalize...also saw the demolition at the old Goodie Boy has begun.
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lifeontwowheels
Highland West
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Bagel
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cyclist II
Short North & Peach District
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I'd need a bakery. Very important part.
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