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Pickerington_Kyle said:
Heck Clippers average around 7,000+ a game.
Is that with or without Chris Paul and Blake Griffin?
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BuckeyeShadow
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Pickerington_Kyle said:
Charlotte Bobcats are like the Blue Jackets, they're ranked in the bottom 5 of attendance and last in the standings. Charlotte Bobcats average 14,896. Blue Jackets averaged: 14,660. Heck Clippers average around 7,000+ a game. Now that I think about it, we don't need a NBA but if were willing or the Cavaliers want to move here. I'd support it.bluejackets and bobcats also have 1 glaring similarity
both city administrations won't pull the plug on either.they just keep them on life support with freebies that are tax revenue generated.
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cheap said:
bluejackets and bobcats also have 1 glaring similarityboth city administrations won't pull the plug on either.they just keep them on life support with freebies that are tax revenue generated.
There's been plenty of teams that have struggled through years. Just because the Jackets are in a slump, that doesn't mean they won't win a Stanley Cup or have great success.
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Winning will bring better attendance to a struggling franchise, that has been proven time and again. But there tends to be a "critical mass" so to speak, of losing and fan apathy, combined with market share. The Bulls were bad for several years after Jordan retired, but because the Chicago market is so big, they can withstand some bad years. Someone up above mentioned "jokingly" the LA Clippers. The LA Clippers..historically..BAD, yet even with a much larger and more successful franchise in the same house and media market, they they remain after decades just because the media market is so huge there it can sustain a mediocre team AND a historically great team. Columbus and Charlotte are too small to maintain large fan bases in the worst periods of adversity. Charlotte had an NBA team which moved (to an almost equally bad market). How or why they were awarded another franchise baffles me somewhat. I am a Jackets fan, and want them to stay. But the window of viability are closing for the Blue Jackets, unfortunately. How many people who have been season ticket holders now for 12 years are not going to renew this year? Probably more than any other in the history of the franchise. They can go 82-0 next year, less fans will fill the seats, and less people will tune into the games on TV/radio, and hence, less ad dollars. The All Star Game will provided a temporary burst of energy and income, but a winning season, meaning, going to the playoffs, will be needed to keep the team here in the long term. All that being said, this city will not have an NBA franchise any time soon. Columbus will have a subway system before it has an NBA team. I am not negative on the NBA, or the city of Columbus. The two just don't match, unless there is a sudden and unexpected change in demographics (read HUGE population increase) over the next decade or more.
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Columbusneon said:
Winning will bring better attendance to a struggling franchise, that has been proven time and again. But there tends to be a "critical mass" so to speak, of losing and fan apathy, combined with market share. The Bulls were bad for several years after Jordan retired, but because the Chicago market is so big, they can withstand some bad years. Someone up above mentioned "jokingly" the LA Clippers. The LA Clippers..historically..BAD, yet even with a much larger and more successful franchise in the same house and media market, they they remain after decades just because the media market is so huge there it can sustain a mediocre team AND a historically great team. Columbus and Charlotte are too small to maintain large fan bases in the worst periods of adversity. Charlotte had an NBA team which moved (to an almost equally bad market). How or why they were awarded another franchise baffles me somewhat. I am a Jackets fan, and want them to stay. But the window of viability are closing for the Blue Jackets, unfortunately. How many people who have been season ticket holders now for 12 years are not going to renew this year? Probably more than any other in the history of the franchise. They can go 82-0 next year, less fans will fill the seats, and less people will tune into the games on TV/radio, and hence, less ad dollars. The All Star Game will provided a temporary burst of energy and income, but a winning season, meaning, going to the playoffs, will be needed to keep the team here in the long term. All that being said, this city will not have an NBA franchise any time soon. Columbus will have a subway system before it has an NBA team. I am not negative on the NBA, or the city of Columbus. The two just don't match, unless there is a sudden and unexpected change in demographics (read HUGE population increase) over the next decade or more.Charlotte and Columbus are not exactly the same. One, Columbus has the Buckeye's that draw in 100k+ every home football game, and 16k+ every basketball game. Blue Jackets get about 14k+ which isn't bad, but not good enough. New Orleans Metropolitan is about 800k less, and they draw 65k+ every Saints game. Before Brees, they were lucky to fill half the stadium. Same for the Hornets. The New Orleans Jazz was so bad they left for Utah and NOLA was rewarded with another franchise, and with the new franchise they lost ownership and the NBA owns them. NBA could actually put a bid up for what ever city wants the Hornets and Seattle or Las Vegas would probally win.
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Pickerington_Kyle said:
The New Orleans Jazz was so bad they left for Utah and NOLA was rewarded with another franchise, and with the new franchise they lost ownership and the NBA owns them. NBA could actually put a bid up for what ever city wants the Hornets and Seattle or Las Vegas would probally win.That was true up until recently when tom benson, the owner of the saints, purchased the hornets.
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Columbusneon said:
Columbus and Charlotte are too small to maintain large fan bases in the worst periods of adversity.Charlotte metro is much larger than Columbus',but this has been my point all along.
Columbus market is too small for all this crap
Pickerington_Kyle said:
Charlotte and Columbus are not exactly the same. One, Columbus has the Buckeye's that draw in 100k+ every home football game, and 16k+ every basketball game. Blue Jackets get about 14k+ which isn't bad, but not good enough.Carolina Panthers were #7 in attendance last year with 72k average
a season game ticket to a Panthers game starts at $500
comparing Columbus to Charlotte is a losing cause.
there is no comparison.
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cheap said:
Charlotte metro is much larger than Columbus',but this has been my point all along.Columbus market is too small for all this crap
Carolina Panthers were #7 in attendance last year with 72k average
a season game ticket to a Panthers game starts at $500
comparing Columbus to Charlotte is a losing cause.
there is no comparison.
Did I not say Columbus and Charlotte are not the same?
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cheap said:
Charlotte metro is much larger than Columbus',but this has been my point all along.Columbus market is too small for all this crap
comparing Columbus to Charlotte is a losing cause.
there is no comparison.
Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas
The 366 Metropolitan Statistical Areas of the United States of America
Rank Metropolitan Area 2011 2010 Change Combined Statistical Area
32 Columbus, OH 1,858,464 1,836,536 +1.19% Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH
33 Charlotte, NC-SC 1,795,472 1,758,038 +2.13% Charlotte-Gastonia-Sbury, NC-SChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas
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Cole said:
Could you quantitatively define what you mean by "much larger"?Much larger means Columbus had 80,000 more people in its metro as of 2010.
As a former Charlottean I can tell you it and Columbus are more alike than not in many areas. Note I didn't say the same.
The lack of college football certainly helps the abysmal Panthers draw well (ahem) but even there the patience is wearing thin. The nearest serious college team is Clemson and even they have trouble filling the whole place. They are trying to build a near-downtown baseball park, too, but they were talking about that five years ago.
The nearest NBA team (other than the obvious) is well over three hours away with no traffic. That may help explain why the Hornets led the league in attendance for seven or eight years, in a 23,000 seater that was out in the woods when it was built. Out in the woods as in the freeway exit said "Coliseum Area" because that was about it. The Hornets were run out of town, quite literally, after an uptown arena deal shakier than ours was defeated and one of the owners had a big sexual assault case. The Bobcats will have no problem drawing a full house when they win more than 7 games in a season.
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6a said:
Much larger means Columbus had 80,000 more people in its metro as of 2010.As a former Charlottean I can tell you it and Columbus are more alike than not in many areas. Note I didn't say the same.
The lack of college football certainly helps the abysmal Panthers draw well (ahem) but even there the patience is wearing thin. The nearest serious college team is Clemson and even they have trouble filling the whole place. They are trying to build a near-downtown baseball park, too, but they were talking about that five years ago.
The nearest NBA team (other than the obvious) is well over three hours away with no traffic. That may help explain why the Hornets led the league in attendance for seven or eight years, in a 23,000 seater that was out in the woods when it was built. Out in the woods as in the freeway exit said "Coliseum Area" because that was about it. The Hornets were run out of town, quite literally, after an uptown arena deal shakier than ours was defeated and one of the owners had a big sexual assault case. The Bobcats will have no problem drawing a full house when they win more than 7 games in a season.
dru said:
Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical AreasThe 366 Metropolitan Statistical Areas of the United States of America
Rank Metropolitan Area 2011 2010 Change Combined Statistical Area
32 Columbus, OH 1,858,464 1,836,536 +1.19% Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH
33 Charlotte, NC-SC 1,795,472 1,758,038 +2.13% Charlotte-Gastonia-Sbury, NC-SChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_of_United_States_Metropolitan_Statistical_Areas
lol @cheap for saying we have a smaller Metropolitan area than Charlotte. IF Columbus didn't have the Buckeyes.. etc.. we would probally have 2-3 pro sport teams. Just saying. I don't have proof or any of that to support that claim, but the Blue Jackets were in the top 10 in standings for the first 5-6 years of existence. We just need to be playoff contenders more, and more fans will come...
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Pickerington_Kyle said:
lol @cheap for saying we have a smaller Metropolitan area than Charlotte. IF Columbus didn't have the Buckeyes.. etc.. we would probally have 2-3 pro sport teams. Just saying. I don't have proof or any of that to support that claim, but the Blue Jackets were in the top 10 in standings for the first 5-6 years of existence. We just need to be playoff contenders more, and more fans will come...We have the Buckeyes and we already have 2 pro teams.
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cheap said:
Charlotte metro is much larger than Columbus',but this has been my point all along.Columbus market is too small for all this crap
Carolina Panthers were #7 in attendance last year with 72k average
a season game ticket to a Panthers game starts at $500
comparing Columbus to Charlotte is a losing cause.
there is no comparison.
The Charlotte metro is SMALLER than Columbus, not the other way around.
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