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I'll start out and say nay. I'm not some sort of crazy racist who thinks every Muslim is evil or anything like that, but I just think that you're asking for trouble if you do this.
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Mosque at Ground Zero...yay or nay?
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anillo
Marzipan City
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So how close would it be okay to build a mosque near ground zero? The proposed one is a little over 2 blocks away from the norther edge, and the site itself looks like it's about 3 by 3 blocks (from my very rudimentary google-maping).
More food for thought: there's a strip club 2 blocks east of the WTC site.Posted 1 year ago # -
groundrules
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who has been to lower manhattan recently? how many blocks away would be an acceptable distance? What exactly defines the area of "Ground Zero"?
EDIT: anillo beat me to the questions, apparently while the server was chewing on my post.
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Nitsud Regnifloh
Valerio Heights
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osulew
My house...in the middle of my street
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anillo wrote >>
So how close would it be okay to build a mosque near ground zero? The proposed one is a little over 2 blocks away from the norther edge, and the site itself looks like it's about 3 by 3 blocks (from my very rudimentary google-maping).This place is already existing less than 4 blocks from the site. http://www.masjidmanhattan.com/About.aspx
And I say "yay"
Muslims didn't destroy those towers, extremists did. Just like Christians don't murder abortion docs, extremists do. Now I'm not saying that them building there doesn't (very unfortunately) invite trouble from ignorant folks that don't understand that and may do something stupid to the mosque or its members. But limiting who can practice their religion in what area kinda flies in the face of how this whole country got started, eh?Posted 1 year ago # -
chaptal
West Side
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Two mosques already have been functioning in Lower Manhattan for years. One of them wants to expand at a site that was an old Burlington Coat Factory store than is a block away from the site.
What consists of hallowed ground? Everything within a block? Two blocks? The whole tri-state area?
Here are some pictures of a few businesses one can find the same distance from the ground zero mosque.
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myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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Uh, the New York Dolls strip club within two block of Ground Zero. Didn't the perps visit strip clubs before getting on the planes? Then we should ban all strip clubs from being near Ground Zero.
Frankly, this is a non-event for anybody not in that neighborhood association, which overwhelmingly approved the build.
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Joseph L. Harris
Dublinish
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It's a free country. They can build whatever they want, wherever they have the money to pay for it.
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tudor1610
Columbus
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So, Timothy McVeigh (sp?) was a proud Christian that was found guilty for domestic terrorism. Does that mean Church of God can't be built near Federal buildings, Daycare centers (there was a daycare center in the fed building he blew up), etc.? The man and his son that cold blooded killed the cops recently hated the Gov but were proud religious people. Does that mean, the religious institution they beloved to can't build/exist near police stations, fed/state/local buildings?! Why is it when it comes to Islam, we in this country forget we are a country founded on religious freedom? I'm not one to say they can build there or not. but I will say it is a very slippery slope when we question one religion because of extremist, and not others. There are wacky folks part of every organization (including religion). By they way, I don't think the mosque is being built right on ground zero (regardless of what the fear-mongers are implying).
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bababoohi
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paktinat wrote >>
An Islamic cultural center you mean?
I say I have no input and neither should you. Let the people who live there decide.Easy there, it's called a discussion and expressing opinions. I think there's a lot of that on this site...almost like that's what it was designed to do.
Anyway, I think the questions this presents are very interesting.
I don't think so many people would have as much of a problem with it if we weren't hearing about terrorism every day and we're still entrenched in the war against it. With time I think something like this would be more accepted, but 9/11 is still very fresh in people's minds, especially New Yorkers.
Are the people who masterminded 9/11 extremists? Absolutely. But right now the extremists are all over the news every single day so that's what people are associating with. Not saying it's right, but that's why I think there's so much backlash.Posted 1 year ago # -
Twixlen
Westgate, Columbus
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The other elephant is the actual constitution - the First Amendment isn't selective to Christianity.
My crazy coworker got all up in arms about this today - after defending the First Amendment yesterday. The reality is that the GOP has spun this story and made it into something it isn't - and I agree with paktinat, it's not our city, and shouldn't be our issue; the country's issue.
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myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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bababoohi wrote >>
paktinat wrote >>
An Islamic cultural center you mean?
I say I have no input and neither should you. Let the people who live there decide.Easy there, it's called a discussion and expressing opinions. I think there's a lot of that on this site...almost like that's what it was designed to do.
Anyway, I think the questions this presents are very interesting.
I don't think so many people would have as much of a problem with it if we weren't hearing fox news every day. With time I think propoganda like this would be more accepted, 9/11 is still very fresh in fox minds, especially Rudy Gulianni's.
Are the people who masterminded 9/11 extremists? Absolutely. But right now the politicians are all over the news every single day and that's what political types are associating it with. Not saying it's right, but that's why I think there's so much ginned up backlash.Fixed that for ya.
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rus
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bababoohi wrote >>
The reality is that the GOP has spun this story and made it into something it isn't
I didn't know Harry Reid was in the GOP.Just to reiterate that:
http://politics.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/08/17/harry-reid-opposes-mosque-near-ground-zero.html
President Obama's comments about building a mosque near Ground Zero incited a tidal wave of responses from talking heads across the political spectrum. At first, the debate broke on partisan lines, with Republicans criticizing Obama's comments and Democrats defending them. But since Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid expressed Monday that the mosque should be built elsewhere, the spotlight has now turned to how the Democrats will respond.
"The First Amendment protects freedom of religion," said Reid's spokesman in a statement. "Senator Reid respects that but thinks that the mosque should be built someplace else."
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Twixlen
Westgate, Columbus
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bababoohi wrote >>
The reality is that the GOP has spun this story and made it into something it isn't
I didn't know Harry Reid was in the GOP.The first tusks of dismay I heard were all Republicans - then the Dems clamored in, trying to set up a defensive or some kind of response, and they all just looked like asses. In my non-professional opinion.
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