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Twixlen said:
Don't forget the westside is also highly populated - many, many folks are using the bus over there, so it's a two-fer.
Almost as populated as the north side and east side.
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johnwirtz
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DTown said:
Who would an airport to downtown line cater to though? Presumably it would be business people coming in for meetings for a day, or minimally overnight. I don't see too many people with luggage beyond a small carry-on loading onto a city bus.Residents, employees, visitors. A successful route would attract a little bit of everyone. Port Columbus isn't exactly busy, so you might be right.
Even someplace like Midway, you don't see too many people hopping a bus or train to head into the city (compared to taxi or shuttles).
Nonsense, everyone takes the Orange Line to the airport. Okay, that's an exaggeration, but everyone in my company (coming and going) seems to use it.
Hotels will likely offer shuttles, taking some of the potential use, also, I would think.
Agree, hotel shuttle competition would be a threat.
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DTown
Discovery District South
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johnwirtz said:
Nonsense, everyone takes the Orange Line to the airport. Okay, that's an exaggeration, but everyone in my company (coming and going) seems to use it.
True. I was just thinking of how many people I've seen lugging a suitcase they would have had to have checked on a plane. I don't think Columbus has a large volume of those incoming business folks though. Probably more outgoing, but only some of them would leave from a downtown location.
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johnwirtz
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DTown said:
True. I was just thinking of how many people I've seen lugging a suitcase they would have had to have checked on a plane. I don't think Columbus has a large volume of those incoming business folks though. Probably more outgoing, but only some of them would leave from a downtown location.Port CMH is a bit of a ghost town compared to either of Chicago's airports. A better comparison might be Cleveland. How many people use the Red Line to go to Hopkins?
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Twixlen
The Weston District
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johnwirtz said:
Almost as populated as the north side and east side.There are more people living between Franklinton & Wilson Rd than either the north or east side. In fact, if the Hilltop alone were a city in Columbus, it would be the 16th largest in the state.
I'm not sure why folks always want to discredit the westside, in regards to population mass - is it perceived blight? Anyway... *derail over* *pun intended*
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Cole
Hilltop
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Twixlen said:
There are more people living between Franklinton & Wilson Rd than either the north or east side. In fact, if the Hilltop alone were a city in Columbus, it would be the 16th largest in the state.I'm not sure why folks always want to discredit the westside, in regards to population mass - is it perceived blight? Anyway... *derail over* *pun intended*
What is defined as "north or east side"? I have a hard time believing that Franklinton (somewhat depopulated) and Hilltop have a larger population than the north side. If it does, it would only be because the Hilltop is surprisingly large.
And I say this as someone who graduated from Westland High School and is currently living in the Hilltop.
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CalebR
Lincoln Village
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Cole said:
What is defined as "north or east side"? I have a hard time believing that Franklinton (somewhat depopulated) and Hilltop have a larger population than the north side. If it does, it would only be because the Hilltop is surprisingly large.And I say this as someone who graduated from Westland High School and is currently living in the Hilltop.
Not many people from the Hilltop go to school to SWCS let alone Westland. Also, the hilltop IS pretty populated. A lot more than you think it is. And also, Franklinton isn't "depopulated" it may not be as large as it once was but there are still many people there.
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Cole
Hilltop
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CalebR said:
Not many people from the Hilltop go to school to SWCS let alone Westland. Also, the hilltop IS pretty populated. A lot more than you think it is. And also, Franklinton isn't "depopulated" it may not be as large as it once was but there are still many people there.I grew up outside of I-270 near Hall and Norton if you want me to back up my SWCS cred. I base my Franklinton "depopulated" statement on 1. the amount of vacant homes I see and 2. the comments of Jim Sweeney in the New Dodge Pool article:
http://www.columbusunderground.com/new-dodge-pool-in-franklinton-is-a-hit-this-summer
What I am not saying is that the Hilltop (or Franklinton) are undense. I do not know that. However, I doubt that the density of the Hilltop is greater than the north side which includes one of the larger employment centers of Columbus which is OSU.
BTW, how is "not as large as it once was" not similar to the term depopulated?
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johnwirtz
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Twixlen said:
There are more people living between Franklinton & Wilson Rd than either the north or east side. In fact, if the Hilltop alone were a city in Columbus, it would be the 16th largest in the state.I'm not sure why folks always want to discredit the westside, in regards to population mass - is it perceived blight? Anyway... *derail over* *pun intended*
I'm going to have to look at data by census tract now, or maybe Cole will do it for me. We'll have to come to an agreement about boundaries. I would say that the North Side is at least everything between the Olentangy River and the NS railroad tracks or I-71 from I-670 to Worthington. It could arguably include the Lindens, Northland, etc. In the Cleveland Ave corridor too. I would include Franklinton in the West Side, and everything between I-70 and maybe Clime Rd out to I-270. The East Side I would define as everything between I-670 and I-70, from I-71 out to I-270. Not sure if we should count the population of Bexley and Whitehall or not. I would lean towards saying yes, which makes me think that maybe we should also count Worthington out to I-270 as part of the North Side.
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johnwirtz
Glenview, IL
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Okay, I looked at the ACS 2006-2010 population data.
East = 100,904 people, 4,300 people/sq. mile
North = 87,652 people, 5,557 people/sq. mile
West = 78,402 people, 4,186 people/sq. mileHere are the boundaries I used (based on Census):
http://goo.gl/maps/UL6hDepending on how you cut it, the West Side could end up denser than the East Side, but still less people.
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Twixlen
The Weston District
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johnwirtz said:
Okay, I looked at the ACS 2006-2010 population data.East = 100,904 people, 4,300 people/sq. mile
North = 87,652 people, 5,557 people/sq. mile
West = 78,402 people, 4,186 people/sq. mileWild --- when I first moved to Westgate, one of the first things I got was a little packet from (Hilltop Business Association? Blockwatch?) someone talking about living on the most populated side of Columbus, blah blah blah. Maybe it used to be?
Anyway - I was wrong!!
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joshlapp
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Twixlen said:
Wild --- when I first moved to Westgate, one of the first things I got was a little packet from (Hilltop Business Association? Blockwatch?) someone talking about living on the most populated side of Columbus, blah blah blah. Maybe it used to be?Anyway - I was wrong!!
Either way I think if anything this speaks to the fact that a North-South line would work simply because of the density of the area.
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stephentszuter
Downtown Columbus
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What is downtown's density (43215)?
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johnwirtz
Glenview, IL
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stephentszuter said:
What is downtown's density (43215)?Tract 30 and 40 combined (basically downtown) had a population of 5,131 in a land area of 2.45 square miles for a gross residential density of 2,091 people per square mile. Downtown though, employment density is a more important factor in planning any kind of transit.
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stephentszuter
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johnwirtz said:
Tract 30 and 40 combined (basically downtown) had a population of 5,131 in a land area of 2.45 square miles for a gross residential density of 2,091 people per square mile. Downtown though, employment density is a more important factor in planning any kind of transit.I thought we had 6,400 residents now... :(
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johnwirtz
Glenview, IL
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joshlapp said:
Either way I think if anything this speaks to the fact that a North-South line would work simply because of the density of the area.I agree that a north-south line on High Street would work the best, but the density is still relatively low by big city standards. Only several tracts have densities over 10,000 people per square mile. Perhaps the transit would allow it to grow to the next level. Serving dense employment centers (i.e., downtown and campus) is perhaps more critical to the success of the transit line than the residential density.
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Cole
Hilltop
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stephentszuter said:
What is downtown's density (43215)?Here's a Google Fusion Table Map I've made using 2010 Census Data. It's based on density using only the land area and is in units people/sq mile.
https://www.google.com/fusiontables/DataSource?snapid=S592566sJ40
ETA: If you click on any the tracts on the map (click the fusion table link), you can see population, density, area if you're curious about any exact information.
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mrpoppinzs
Arena District
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@Cole - Great tool.
I was aware of the density in the Central Hilltop, but the map helps break it down. Regardless, a North/South route with OSU as a central part seems to make a lot of sense in any new transportation planning. We should also not forget the eventual impact of the expanding Wexner Medical Center and the 6000 new jobs it will be adding in just the next few years.
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