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Started 1 year ago by Mister MooCow
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Mister MooCow
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From the Dispatch

Kasich stepped up his opposition at a political forum Wednesday that included local transit agencies and engineers.

"It's not going to happen when I become governor, OK?" Kasich said. "If you want that train, I hope you can get over that and vote for me anyway, but you're not going to get that train."

Kasich said that the trains would have an average speed of 39 mph and that the state can't afford it.

His speed calculation, parsed from a preliminary Amtrak study last year showing a 61/2-hour travel time from Cleveland to Cincinnati, can be misleading without context.

For example, it counts dwell time at eight stations to allow passengers to board and ignores faster trips on shorter, intermediate routes. Actual trip times and travel schedules will be determined by a final engineering analysis due next year.

Thanks, John -- you just got me interested in the gubernatorial election.

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Posted 1 year ago #
johnwirtz
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Sounds like chucky.

As for who will ride the train, I took a stab at that in February:
http://xingcolumbus.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/who-will-ride-the-train/

Posted 1 year ago #
Paul
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He's got my vote.

If I could vote in Ohio.

Posted 1 year ago #
Nitsud Regnifloh
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i agree with him. the state can't afford it.

Posted 1 year ago #
Core_Models
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I'm starting to be opposed to it after all of Northern Ohio made the 20 most miserable cities list, do we really want to be that linked up???

Can we just get a 2C railroad?

Posted 1 year ago #
futureman
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Nitsud Regnifloh wrote >>
i agree with him. the state can't afford it.

And yet we can afford 1.7 billion for the 70/71 split?

Posted 1 year ago #
tree_sketcher
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Nitsud Regnifloh wrote >>
i agree with him. the state can't afford it.

the state is going to invest in transportation projects one way or another; its a critical part of our economy. This is less about what Ohio can "afford" and more about building a multimodal system that best serves the needs of all citizens. The operating cost of this is a drop in the bucket for ODOT and the spinoff development and tax revenue created by this will more than make up for it.

I think the thing that people lose sight of in Ohio is that Highways and rail-based public transit really can serve two different development markets. We already have a great highway system, hence the plethora of suburban development that has gone on for the last 50 years. That is one development market. We have not invested in rail or other public transit that serve more dense development markets, and one result is an erosion of our center cities. The lack of strong, vibrant, fun, high quality of life cities is one reason why Ohio has so much out-migration (mostly to more vibrant urban places like CA, Chicago, DC, NY, NC, etc.). I think if we settle for the status quo, we're just going to continue this self-imposed stunting of our growth.

Posted 1 year ago #
Walker
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Paul wrote >>
He's got my vote.
If I could vote in Ohio.

You can probably vote for someone who can kill the funding for the Pacific Northwest Corridor though, right? So not all is lost.

Posted 1 year ago #
Walker
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I wonder if Kasich is planning on trying to kill the Cincinnati Streetcar project as well? If elected he would probably have time to pull the plug before construction is completed.

http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/cincinnati-streetcar-news/page/5

Posted 1 year ago #
Rockmastermike
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Heh. It's really easy for him to sit back and take potshots at a project that is a small fraction of a transportation budget that is itself a fraction of the total budget, but with purely symbolic meaning as an "expensive project" when the only suggestion he's actually made thus far is to get rid of the income tax to balance the budget.

One wonders what planet he learned math or economics on. Oh wait, probably at Lehman Brothers... If that's how they think, I guess it's no wonder they went belly up and started knocking the dominoes that took down the economy back in '08.

He's since stopped saying that bullsh*t, but has not replaced it with any actual ideas.

Of course, old Ted hasn't really put forth any ideas either. In fact, let me just get this off my chest...

HEY STRICKLAND: STFU! WE'RE NOT STUPID. STOP THE IDIOTIC ADVERTISING. WE UNDERSTAND KASICH WORKED FOR LEHMAN BROTHERS AND WE GET THAT THEY PLAYED A TANGENTIAL ROLL IN UNDERMINING THE ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY, BUT THAT DOESN'T ABSOLVE YOU OF A RESPONSIBILITY FOR PRESENTING SOME REAL IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO FIX THE DAMNED STATE BUDGET.

HEY KASICH: STFU! AND STOP THE IDIOTIC ADVERTISING. WE'RE NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT STRICKLAND OR ANY OTHER STATE OFFICIAL HAS ANY REAL CONTROL OVER JOB LOSSES CAUSED BY THE FRIGGIN' COLLAPSE OF THE ENTIRE ECONOMY BROUGHT ABOUT AT LEAST IN SMALL PART BY YOUR FORMER EMPLOYER, SO STOP PRETENDING WE'LL BELIEVE THAT CRAP AND PRESENT SOME REAL IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO FIX THE DAMNED STATE BUDGET.

If these two clowns continue playing these games I'm going to write in MYSELF for governor, F*CK this noise.

Posted 1 year ago #
Core_Models
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
Heh. It's really easy for him to sit back and take potshots

This is what bugs me. Its like his secret plan to both eliminate the Ohio Income Tax and balance the budget.

Kind of like Josh's secret plan to fight inflation on the West Wing.

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Posted 1 year ago #
Rockmastermike
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Paul wrote >>
He's got my vote.
If I could vote in Ohio.

Enjoy your wonderful system of public transportation up there in Vancouver? I know I did when I visited there and it was a major reason I wish to go back to the city.

In short, I'm not going to mince words, you really sound like a total hypocrite voicing that opinion in a thread about a city that isn't even in your own country when your city has blossomed in no small part because of it's transportation infrastructure.

Posted 1 year ago #
bman
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Rockmastermike wrote >>
Heh. It's really easy for him to sit back and take potshots at a project that is a small fraction of a transportation budget that is itself a fraction of the total budget, but with purely symbolic meaning as an "expensive project" when the only suggestion he's actually made thus far is to get rid of the income tax to balance the budget.
One wonders what planet he learned math or economics on. Oh wait, probably at Lehman Brothers... If that's how they think, I guess it's no wonder they went belly up and started knocking the dominoes that took down the economy back in '08.
He's since stopped saying that bullsh*t, but has not replaced it with any actual ideas.
Of course, old Ted hasn't really put forth any ideas either. In fact, let me just get this off my chest...
HEY STRICKLAND: STFU! WE'RE NOT STUPID. STOP THE IDIOTIC ADVERTISING. WE UNDERSTAND KASICH WORKED FOR LEHMAN BROTHERS AND WE GET THAT THEY PLAYED A TANGENTIAL ROLL IN UNDERMINING THE ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY, BUT THAT DOESN'T ABSOLVE YOU OF A RESPONSIBILITY FOR PRESENTING SOME REAL IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO FIX THE DAMNED STATE BUDGET.
HEY KASICH: STFU! AND STOP THE IDIOTIC ADVERTISING. WE'RE NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT STRICKLAND OR ANY OTHER STATE OFFICIAL HAS ANY REAL CONTROL OVER JOB LOSSES CAUSED BY THE FRIGGIN' COLLAPSE OF THE ENTIRE ECONOMY BROUGHT ABOUT AT LEAST IN SMALL PART BY YOUR FORMER EMPLOYER, SO STOP PRETENDING WE'LL BELIEVE THAT CRAP AND PRESENT SOME REAL IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO FIX THE DAMNED STATE BUDGET.
If these two clowns continue playing these games I'm going to write in MYSELF for governor, F*CK this noise.

I am writing in Rockmastermike.

Posted 1 year ago #
cbuster
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I was actually fairly amazed at the quality of that article - explaining the context of the 39 mph number? Pro-3C quotes from a Cabinet-level official? in the Dispatch???

of course then I realized that this was an AP article... well, at least the Dispatch ran it..

Posted 1 year ago #
Rockmastermike
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bman wrote >>
I am writing in Rockmastermike.

Well, to be fair I haven't presented my ideas to fix the state budget publicly either. But, maybe I should. They might be totally wacked out, but I would be the first candidate to even suggest any.

Posted 1 year ago #
ChrisSunami
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Mister MooCow wrote >>
From the Dispatch
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Kasich stepped up his opposition at a political forum Wednesday that included local transit agencies and engineers.
"It's not going to happen when I become governor, OK?" Kasich said. "If you want that train, I hope you can get over that and vote for me anyway, but you're not going to get that train."

I wasn't going to vote for Kasich anyway, but this issue is pushing me towards voting for Strickland --as much as I've found him a huge disappointment --versus casting a vote for a 3rd party candidate.

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I loved Kasich ever since I read the Other Paper article asking if Ohio needed a SOB for a govoror. Hell ya we do!

Now go to Big Bear and tell that bagger who you are.

Posted 1 year ago #
NEOBuckeye
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Four words: Peak. Oil. National. Security.

Posted 1 year ago #
Talcott
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Core_Models wrote >>

Rockmastermike wrote >>
Heh. It's really easy for him to sit back and take potshots

This is what bugs me. Its like his secret plan to both eliminate the Ohio Income Tax and balance the budget.
Kind of like Josh's secret plan to fight inflation on the West Wing.

I would be in favor of Josh Lyman for governor.
Or, come to think of it, isn't CJ from Dayton?

Posted 1 year ago #
JimSweeney
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futureman wrote >>

Nitsud Regnifloh wrote >>
i agree with him. the state can't afford it.

And yet we can afford 1.7 billion for the 70/71 split?

and $200 mil for the Nelsonville by-pass.

Posted 1 year ago #