StowCbusCleveland
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Apparently Supreme Court Justice Scalia isn't big on OSU Law School. The money quote:
"I wouldn't have hired Jeff Sutton," Justice Scalia said. "For God's sake, he went to Ohio State! And he's one of the very best law clerks I ever had."
I see a new marketing campaign for Moritz: "OSU Law, surprisingly not awful!"
mitchellosu
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I just read this in the Dispatch. Scalia is fat slob. Who cares what he thinks.
mitchellosu
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JimL2 wrote >>
The entirety of the legislative, judicial, and executive branches, I would think.
"The entirety of the legislative, judicial, and executive branches" was on pins and needles, unable to control the anticipation and suspense of waiting to find out what Scalia thinks of OSU law grads?
I would think...
L.I. to Buckeye
West side/Galloway
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I'm guessing this may have been tongue-in-cheek. Scalia is known for his sarcasm and off-beat sense of humor.
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mitchellosu wrote >>
...suspense of waiting to find out what Scalia thinks of OSU law grads?
Oh, was that your question? You might want to be more specific next time. Or do they not teach basic communication at OSU? (blam!)
Okay, so, who cares what a Supreme Court justice thinks of OSU law grads? Brief list since it's only 7:30am: Anyone who is thinking of going into constitutional law, runs a law firm that specializes in constitutional law, or is thinking of hiring a lawyer to represent their case to the Supreme Court--or for that matter, a case that might eventually make it to the Supreme Court (specially if they're interested in winning). Anyone at the school who teaches constitutional law or pre-law, the dean of Moritz, the OSU board of regents, alumni donors, probably the city and state governments given how much money the school brings in, anyone who publishes a regular guide to choosing a law school. Jeff Sutton. You could probably widen this list to include "all current and future trial lawyers," but to be fair I don't think Kevin Kurgis is going to be too choked up.
Most of all, it sounds like you do. I appreciate the flippancy of saying "fuck that guy he's fat," but seriously. You can't pretend to disregard the importance of a Supreme Court justice's opinion about future happenings in the Supreme Court simply because he's fat and likes cheetos*. You're going to end up looking like someone who is either ignorant of the court's importance, or trying way too hard to hide the tears.
* Note this opinion of his is not important; this is just trivia.
mitchellosu
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StowCbusCleveland
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L.I. to Buckeye wrote >>
I'm guessing this may have been tongue-in-cheek. Scalia is known for his sarcasm and off-beat sense of humor.
I considered this, that it may have been a joke that wasn't as funny when written down. In the context of what he said before though, it seems it was probably said more than half-seriously. Before this line, he basically says that when he's hiring he only looks at students from the best few schools because even if they aren't better schools for preparing lawyers they are hardest to get into and therefore they represent the cream of the crop.
If anything, it may have been a friendly joke towards Sutton, but using the serious dig that he went to OSU. Oh well. It's not a world changing revelation that the SCOTUS hires Harvard grads, and it's not exactly breaking news that Scalia is an ass...
Urban Dansigner
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He probably does not like Ohio State because it was not around when the Constitution was written. Damn, Ohio was not a state when the Constitution was written ... are we even citizens of the US of A because no one from Ohio signed the document?
mitchellosu
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Bottom line, and this is what really gets me upset, at the highest levels there is alot of elitism in the law. Scalia uses "You didn't go to a T-14 school" as a public dig (even if it is in jest).
berdawn
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StowCbusCleveland wrote >>
Before this line, he basically says that when he's hiring he only looks at students from the best few schools because even if they aren't better schools for preparing lawyers they are hardest to get into and therefore they represent the cream of the crop.
I read the whole thing as well and this was the part that twisted my panties. while most ivy league schools have at least some method of appearing diverse in terms of gender and/or race in admissions, the homogeneity of the students in terms of socio-economic background is kind of appalling. I'll take it over hiring mostly from Liberty or Regent like the DOJ did.
kit444
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mitchellosu wrote >>
Bottom line, and this is what really gets me upset, at the highest levels there is alot of elitism in the law. Scalia uses "You didn't go to a T-14 school" as a public dig (even if it is in jest).
There's definitely a reputational caste system in the law, with the assumption as Scalia stated it that everyone chooses the "best" law school into which they could get. Consequently, the logic follows from there that those schools have the best law students and produce the best attorneys. It's a self-supporting argument and frankly there's no way to qualitatively dispute it. The truth is not everyone applies to a Harvard or Columbia for financial or other reasons. And the law they teach is the same at every school.
mitchellosu
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kit444 wrote >>
mitchellosu wrote >>
Bottom line, and this is what really gets me upset, at the highest levels there is alot of elitism in the law. Scalia uses "You didn't go to a T-14 school" as a public dig (even if it is in jest).There's definitely a reputational caste system in the law, with the assumption as Scalia stated it that everyone chooses the "best" law school into which they could get. Consequently, the logic follows from there that those schools have the best law students and produce the best attorneys. It's a self-supporting argument and frankly there's no way to qualitatively dispute it. The truth is not everyone applies to a Harvard or Columbia for financial or other reasons. And the law they teach is the same at every school.
I think that's the biggest argument against it. I (and I can speak for alot of people personally on this) don't go to the highest ranked law school that I was accepted into. I went with a combination of who gave me the most money, who places graduates best in the city I want to live in, had the classes/profs I wanted the most, not to mention the role that localized reputation (where do you want to practice?) plays in the life of the everyday attorney.
Also, and yeah this is an entire other can of worms, I go to the school with Ohio's highest bar passage rate and it isn't the highest ranked Ohio school. Law students are much more savy and pragmatic than that theory gives them credit for.
Rankings really matter in only a few scenarios. Biglaw, teaching, and clerkships.
nexttuesday
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Leave it to Scalia to witness firsthand evidence to the contrary of what he wants to believe and then write it off as unimportant.
It is easier to hire a clerk from a top 10 school because you know they will probably be competent. If you dip (shudder) below that, you run the risk of hiring someone who really can't write, and you'll actually have to examine their work to determine that. Hire from Harvard, and you don't have to actually evaluate their writing, you can trust it will be ok. They are lazy, that's not surprising. They have more important shit to worry about, so I don't blame them. If it's really your goal to be a SC clerk, you wouldn't go to OSU anyway.
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