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Issue 2: Casino Relocation
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kcrissinger
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Walker
The KLD / Downtown
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Remember Casinos Have RIGHT to Build, Not Obligation
Wednesday, April 28th, 2010
wosu.org/blogs/cotrRemember that little change to the Ohio Constitution voters approved last fall? The one that gives two developers the right to build casinos at four locations: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Toledo and of course the Arena District in Columbus?
In that long amendment, the key words are - the right to build; they don’t have to build.
READ MORE: http://www.wosu.org/blogs/cotr/?p=765
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kcrissinger
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Walker
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The big casino gamble
Can a casino save the nation’s emptiest neighborhood?
BY LYNDSEY TETER
Published: Thursday, April 29, 2010Critics claim casinos are about as likely to spur neighborhood development as a black hole. The common theory is that gaming patrons drive to the lot, park, run inside, lose all their grocery money to the house, exit the building and zoom away, never dropping a dime anywhere else along the way.
READ MORE: http://www.theotherpaper.com/articles/2010/04/29/cover_story/doc4bd981eeb1d6b071751983.txt
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Walker
The KLD / Downtown
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Who’s funding Issue 2?
By Garth Bishop
Published: Thursday, April 29, 2010Even though there’s no organized opposition to Issue 2, that hasn’t stopped area powerbrokers from spending money to ensure it passes.
Campaign finance reports for contributions received and expenditures made by April 14, due last Thursday, indicated that some $2.4 million had been raised in the effort.
The biggest contributor: Penn National affiliate CD Gaming Ventures Inc., which poured $1.03 million into the campaign.
READ MORE: http://www.theotherpaper.com/articles/2010/04/29/front/doc4bd982bfca549968297144.txt
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kcrissinger
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Walker wrote >>
The big casino gamble
Can a casino save the nation’s emptiest neighborhood?
BY LYNDSEY TETER
Published: Thursday, April 29, 2010
Critics claim casinos are about as likely to spur neighborhood development as a black hole. The common theory is that gaming patrons drive to the lot, park, run inside, lose all their grocery money to the house, exit the building and zoom away, never dropping a dime anywhere else along the way.
READ MORE: http://www.theotherpaper.com/articles/2010/04/29/cover_story/doc4bd981eeb1d6b071751983.txtThat was a very good article. It was written from a very neutral standpoint and addressed all sides of the issue.
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Columbusite
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Even though a casino would be more accessible in the AD for the average visitor, the west side location would be a draw because it's a one-of-a-kind destination. What other casino in Columbus would you go to if it's in the Hilltop? It's right off of I-270 and W Broad: a major highway and a major urban corridor. It's within walking distance of the Taco Truck District (which attracts visitors to the Hilltop) where the taco trucks are all within walking distance of each other (as you can see, Los Potosinos is located right across the Delphi site). We've even biked this part of Sullivant and Georgesville without incident. That said, some pedestrian improvements in the form of effectively slowing traffic speeds and increasing pedestrian access would make the area more attractive for walking. Throw in the taco truck kiosks I suggested that the city install and you'll have two unique draws to the Hilltop right next to each other.
Regardless, revitalization of the Hilltop, particularly W Broad in Highland West, should already be well underway, but too many Columbus residents outside of the area are thin-skinned and lack vision. I find it particularly funny when gentrifying residents say that this area is scary and avoid it. You've all gotten soft and forgotten the fact that W Broad is no where near as bad as the SN was and that short-term memory is also applicable with regards to the revitalized strip of Parsons in OTE. Remember that the next time you're dining at Rigsby's or Black Creek Bistro; W Broad could look like this if you wanted it to.
Oh well, we'll be able to talk about how best to maximize the positives of the casino regardless of its location after tomorrow's vote.
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Twixlen
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Columbusite wrote Regardless, revitalization of the Hilltop, particularly W Broad in Highland West, should already be well underway, but too many Columbus residents outside of the area are thin-skinned and lack vision. I find it particularly funny when gentrifying residents say that this area is scary and avoid it. You've all gotten soft and forgotten the fact that W Broad is no where near as bad as the SN was and that short-term memory is also applicable with regards to the revitalized strip of Parsons in OTE. Remember that the next time you're dining at Rigsby's or Black Creek Bistro; W Broad could look like this if you wanted it to.
Oh well, we'll be able to talk about how best to maximize the positives of the casino regardless of its location after tomorrow's vote.Thanks for this - basically what we've (westsiders) all been beating our drums about for a while now. I also think W Broad has potential greatness, so close to the surface.
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kcrissinger
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Twixlen wrote >>
Columbusite wrote Regardless, revitalization of the Hilltop, particularly W Broad in Highland West, should already be well underway, but too many Columbus residents outside of the area are thin-skinned and lack vision. I find it particularly funny when gentrifying residents say that this area is scary and avoid it. You've all gotten soft and forgotten the fact that W Broad is no where near as bad as the SN was and that short-term memory is also applicable with regards to the revitalized strip of Parsons in OTE. Remember that the next time you're dining at Rigsby's or Black Creek Bistro; W Broad could look like this if you wanted it to.
Oh well, we'll be able to talk about how best to maximize the positives of the casino regardless of its location after tomorrow's vote.Thanks for this - basically what we've (westsiders) all been beating our drums about for a while now. I also think W Broad has potential greatness, so close to the surface.
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columbusfoodie
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Columbusite wrote >>
Even though a casino would be more accessible in the AD for the average visitor, the west side location would be a draw because it's a one-of-a-kind destination. What other casino in Columbus would you go to if it's in the Hilltop? It's right off of I-270 and W Broad: a major highway and a major urban corridor. It's within walking distance of the Taco Truck District (which attracts visitors to the Hilltop) where the taco trucks are all within walking distance of each other (as you can see, Los Potosinos is located right across the Delphi site). We've even biked this part of Sullivant and Georgesville without incident. That said, some pedestrian improvements in the form of effectively slowing traffic speeds and increasing pedestrian access would make the area more attractive for walking. Throw in the taco truck kiosks I suggested that the city install and you'll have two unique draws to the Hilltop right next to each other.
Regardless, revitalization of the Hilltop, particularly W Broad in Highland West, should already be well underway, but too many Columbus residents outside of the area are thin-skinned and lack vision. I find it particularly funny when gentrifying residents say that this area is scary and avoid it. You've all gotten soft and forgotten the fact that W Broad is no where near as bad as the SN was and that short-term memory is also applicable with regards to the revitalized strip of Parsons in OTE. Remember that the next time you're dining at Rigsby's or Black Creek Bistro; W Broad could look like this if you wanted it to.
Oh well, we'll be able to talk about how best to maximize the positives of the casino regardless of its location after tomorrow's vote.It's not a pedestrian friendly area in the least, with no sidewalks. While the area is safe enough during the day, I wouldn't recommend walking around there at night, especially if you are leaving the casino with a wallet full of money. The taco trucks themselves are safe at night, but there's no one looking out for people walking that stretch of Georgesville, which is not very well lighted. Not only that, but people who are in a casino with a hotel and several restaurants attached are unlikely to leave it. And I'm interested to see what changes in zoning there would be in the JEDD, and whether taco trucks and/or mobile vendors would be grandfathered in or not.
I've already made my case for why I'm voting no on the other Issue 2 thread - I think that redevelopment is possible with or without the casino. The area on West Broad from Highland West to Westgate is ripe for redevelopment right now. With everyone on the same page with regards to the west side needing redevelopment, wouldn't now be the time to get City Hall to commit to it, regardless of the outcome of tomorrow's vote?
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kcrissinger
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swampkitty wrote >>
Columbusite wrote >>
Even though a casino would be more accessible in the AD for the average visitor, the west side location would be a draw because it's a one-of-a-kind destination. What other casino in Columbus would you go to if it's in the Hilltop? It's right off of I-270 and W Broad: a major highway and a major urban corridor. It's within walking distance of the Taco Truck District (which attracts visitors to the Hilltop) where the taco trucks are all within walking distance of each other (as you can see, Los Potosinos is located right across the Delphi site). We've even biked this part of Sullivant and Georgesville without incident. That said, some pedestrian improvements in the form of effectively slowing traffic speeds and increasing pedestrian access would make the area more attractive for walking. Throw in the taco truck kiosks I suggested that the city install and you'll have two unique draws to the Hilltop right next to each other.
Regardless, revitalization of the Hilltop, particularly W Broad in Highland West, should already be well underway, but too many Columbus residents outside of the area are thin-skinned and lack vision. I find it particularly funny when gentrifying residents say that this area is scary and avoid it. You've all gotten soft and forgotten the fact that W Broad is no where near as bad as the SN was and that short-term memory is also applicable with regards to the revitalized strip of Parsons in OTE. Remember that the next time you're dining at Rigsby's or Black Creek Bistro; W Broad could look like this if you wanted it to.
Oh well, we'll be able to talk about how best to maximize the positives of the casino regardless of its location after tomorrow's vote.It's not a pedestrian friendly area in the least, with no sidewalks. While the area is safe enough during the day, I wouldn't recommend walking around there at night, especially if you are leaving the casino with a wallet full of money. The taco trucks themselves are safe at night, but there's no one looking out for people walking that stretch of Georgesville, which is not very well lighted. Not only that, but people who are in a casino with a hotel and several restaurants attached are unlikely to leave it. And I'm interested to see what changes in zoning there would be in the JEDD, and whether taco trucks and/or mobile vendors would be grandfathered in or not.
I've already made my case for why I'm voting no on the other Issue 2 thread - I think that redevelopment is possible with or without the casino. The area on West Broad from Highland West to Westgate is ripe for redevelopment right now. With everyone on the same page with regards to the west side needing redevelopment, wouldn't now be the time to get City Hall to commit to it, regardless of the outcome of tomorrow's vote?I agree that the area should be redeveloped,regardless of the outcome of the vote. Us long-timers have been saying that for over 15 years. However, a yes vote will make that much easier and much more likely to happen. A no vote just makes it harder and less likely to happen.
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columbusfoodie
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kcrissinger wrote >>
swampkitty wrote >>
Columbusite wrote >>
Even though a casino would be more accessible in the AD for the average visitor, the west side location would be a draw because it's a one-of-a-kind destination. What other casino in Columbus would you go to if it's in the Hilltop? It's right off of I-270 and W Broad: a major highway and a major urban corridor. It's within walking distance of the Taco Truck District (which attracts visitors to the Hilltop) where the taco trucks are all within walking distance of each other (as you can see, Los Potosinos is located right across the Delphi site). We've even biked this part of Sullivant and Georgesville without incident. That said, some pedestrian improvements in the form of effectively slowing traffic speeds and increasing pedestrian access would make the area more attractive for walking. Throw in the taco truck kiosks I suggested that the city install and you'll have two unique draws to the Hilltop right next to each other.
Regardless, revitalization of the Hilltop, particularly W Broad in Highland West, should already be well underway, but too many Columbus residents outside of the area are thin-skinned and lack vision. I find it particularly funny when gentrifying residents say that this area is scary and avoid it. You've all gotten soft and forgotten the fact that W Broad is no where near as bad as the SN was and that short-term memory is also applicable with regards to the revitalized strip of Parsons in OTE. Remember that the next time you're dining at Rigsby's or Black Creek Bistro; W Broad could look like this if you wanted it to.
Oh well, we'll be able to talk about how best to maximize the positives of the casino regardless of its location after tomorrow's vote.It's not a pedestrian friendly area in the least, with no sidewalks. While the area is safe enough during the day, I wouldn't recommend walking around there at night, especially if you are leaving the casino with a wallet full of money. The taco trucks themselves are safe at night, but there's no one looking out for people walking that stretch of Georgesville, which is not very well lighted. Not only that, but people who are in a casino with a hotel and several restaurants attached are unlikely to leave it. And I'm interested to see what changes in zoning there would be in the JEDD, and whether taco trucks and/or mobile vendors would be grandfathered in or not.
I've already made my case for why I'm voting no on the other Issue 2 thread - I think that redevelopment is possible with or without the casino. The area on West Broad from Highland West to Westgate is ripe for redevelopment right now. With everyone on the same page with regards to the west side needing redevelopment, wouldn't now be the time to get City Hall to commit to it, regardless of the outcome of tomorrow's vote?I agree that the area should be redeveloped,regardless of the outcome of the vote. Us long-timers have been saying that for over 15 years. However, a yes vote will make that much easier and much more likely to happen. A no vote just makes it harder and less likely to happen.
I just think the direction and tenor of that redevelopment will be different if the casino move is approved - it looks like they are looking to attract big box stores and make Westland Mall relevant again rather than develop to the needs of the neighborhood. If I wanted to live in Grove City (which resembles Polaris more than Grove City), I would have bought a house there. My worst nightmare would be for Issue 2 to pass, the JEDD to be created, and having everything I love about the area being zoned right out of it. Unfortunately, there hasn't been enough transparency during this whole process to have any confidence in what we're being told will happen.
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lakeerietransplant
On the outskirts of Yuppieville (Weinland Park)
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I know that this a small sample, but after reading this thread, I feel very good about the chances that Issue 2 will fail.
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Schoolboy
Columbus
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oh no
issue 2 must pass
after all... there are sooooooooo many more families that live in the arena district than near all of the apartment complexes and homes near the delphi plant
the arena district promotes good clean family fun, and not a place to get completely mindless drunk thurs thru saturday of every given week
nope... when people think i'm gonna go wasted and try to hook up, they think of delphi plant area, not at all the arena district
just good clean family fun happening therewhen you vote on issue 2, please think of the children
our mayor said the arenda district is a "family district"
we must blindly listen to our elected officialssave the children of park street!!!!
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kcrissinger
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swampkitty wrote >>
kcrissinger wrote >>
swampkitty wrote >>
Columbusite wrote >>
I agree that the area should be redeveloped,regardless of the outcome of the vote. Us long-timers have been saying that for over 15 years. However, a yes vote will make that much easier and much more likely to happen. A no vote just makes it harder and less likely to happen.I just think the direction and tenor of that redevelopment will be different if the casino move is approved - it looks like they are looking to attract big box stores and make Westland Mall relevant again rather than develop to the needs of the neighborhood. If I wanted to live in Grove City (which resembles Polaris more than Grove City), I would have bought a house there. My worst nightmare would be for Issue 2 to pass, the JEDD to be created, and having everything I love about the area being zoned right out of it. Unfortunately, there hasn't been enough transparency during this whole process to have any confidence in what we're being told will happen.
Wow. I'm not sure what to say about your comment. What is your "vision" for the area, a crumbling, empty shell. What about good diners and coffee shops? I love the taco trucks, but they're not going to revitalize the area.
Sweet dreams. I hope tomorrow is your worst nightmare.
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Core_Models
Columbus
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What does the casino have to do with good diners and coffee shops?
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kcrissinger
Brookshire
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Core_Models wrote >>
What does the casino have to do with good diners and coffee shops?Nothing directly. They have a better chance of being there if the casino issue passes. I don't under SK's view on things better off "status quo" and was giving examples of things that are better for the area. As I've said many, many times, the casino isn't the end-all answer, but it beats what's going on now; which is nothing.
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misskitty
Columbus
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Um there are many things that can be done with that end of Broad st. The area can start with becoming one collective and getting something done. We could get rid of all those abandoned strip malls to start. Then they could bring new buildings closer to the street, eliminate giant parking lots and put in some dam sidewalks so that people can walk In the area. Right now it looks like shit and will continue to do so casino or not. Since I don't have any hope that if it gets moved we will actually get an attractive casino. It will most likely be one ugly ass compound that NO One will ever venture out of. I have always been told that good development starts at the core and moves it's way out. Seems like some think maybe the ass backwards approach is better. I don't know for sure but I think there are far better plans to be made and to think we may miss an opportunity if we just take whats handed to us seems like Fail waiting to happen.
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