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the public gets a boathouse and increased usage of a public park. Win x 2!
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Posted 3 years ago # -
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Help Save Duranceaux Park- Build the Boathouse!
Posted 3 years ago # -
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Hmmm...traffic concerns are cited by the City for NOT putting the boathouse on the east shoreline, the rationale being that collegiates and adults cannot successfully navigate the crossing of a park roadway. In the same breath, we're told children can successfully navigate several hundred yards of roadway without incident. I think you'll agree the premise is rather absurd.
As for the "public" getting a boathouse, the public is the 747,000 Columbus taxpayers and the facility is off-limits to them unless they rent the facility but they DO get shoreline access and parking lot use. What a bargain!!
Incidentally, Mercurious, the City's own financial projections show the facility will operate at a significant financial loss.
On another note, since you live on campus--which I help fund via taxes--where are you from? Curious to know since it's likely any decision re the boathouse won't affect you regardless of outcome.
Posted 3 years ago # -
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Quite the contrary, Pablo. It is very well utilized, some 800-900 cars per-day, 15% of which exceed the speed limit and less than 15% of its users are rowers.
Posted 3 years ago # -
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RealityRob wrote >>
On another note, since you live on campus--which I help fund via taxes--where are you from? Curious to know since it's likely any decision re the boathouse won't affect you regardless of outcome.Why would you assume he lives on campus? Why are you insinuating he's not also paying the same taxes you are? Seems like an odd introduction to this message board.
ETA: Ooops, he actually said where he lives, Summit and First. So you might want to learn a little more about the area you claim to fund because that's certainly not campus. Makes me think NIMBY was dead on.
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Logical deduction, my dear; lives at Summit and First as indicated in his/her post.
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I just skimmed the articles, but it sounds like the objection to the site across the river was increased construction costs?
I sympathize with the fact that it is not open to the public -- I think public buildings should be -- but it's not totally off limits. and it would be a revenue stream for the city at a time when the city needs to get as much use out of public land as possible. While "rowers and their friends" have access -- isn;t that just for practice and rowing events?
Do you feel it is impossible to take kids safety into account in the planning? If it's not open to the public on a regular basis, then how much more traffic will be generated by the rental for weddings, etc? If the concern is late night useage -- how many little kids are crossing the road at 11pm?
All in all it sounds like a good useage.
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RealityRob wrote >>
As for the "public" getting a boathouse, the public is the 747,000 Columbus taxpayers and the facility is off-limits to them unless they rent the facility but they DO get shoreline access and parking lot use. What a bargain!!
So I take it you were against the North Bank Park Pavilion as well?
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Alsion, I like your approach: rational, non-combative, receptive.
Construction costs are irrelevant; they're entirely paid for by OSU Athletics, i.e. football/basketball sales revenues. Translation: doesn't cost the universty a cent.
As for alleged City revenues, their own documents show it will be run at a financial loss. Translation: No public benefit.
As for child safety, of course, design can improve upon safety considerations. But by the same token, the same can be done and implemented to protect collegians and adults who cross the street.
On the point of kids crossing streets at 11 at night, the issue is that of park users generally, crossing streets at night where traffic is already a problem. Introducing significantly more only exacerbates the problem and risks.
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Pablo-
I'd be happy to provide you with a copy of the City-commissioned traffic study performed by Trans Associates this past summer. You can verify the figures for yourself and see if I'm wrong.
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Ahhh, yes, resort to name-calling if you're challenged or your post answered, somertimoh. Absolutely the hallmark of a superior intellect.
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RealityRob wrote >>
Logical deduction, my dear; lives at Summit and First as indicated in his/her post.not even really close to "on-campus." it's called the Italian Village, part of the Short North area. so not logical at all.
but speaking of deductions, the 'my taxes' argument just lost you any real credibilty in my view. your taxes really pay for nothing over here, or at the very least, your taxes offer this neighborhood no more than our taxes pay for your park. as for OSU which is a couple of miles up the road from First and Summit but just over from Upper Arlington, public contributions to higher education have been dwindling for years and just took another $25 million dollar hit, in spite of public support that indicates high levels of support for public funding.
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RealityRob wrote >>
Ahhh, yes, resort to name-calling if you're challenged or your post answered, somertimoh. Absolutely the hallmark of a superior intellect.a. you did not get called a name. she did call you "my dear" because you condescendingly already used the phrase in your retort to her.
b. in that same retort, your superior intellect and logical deduction about where another poster lived was dead wrong. which is neither intellectual or logical.Posted 3 years ago # -
somertimeoh
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Who are all these kids running around ANY streets unsupervised? Sounds like a parenting issue to me.
Posted 3 years ago # -
alexs
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Either that figure is wrong or you have a cruising issue....
Mmmm well, yes, the parks people and police complain about "deviants" using the area for sex and intoxication. They hope this facility will drive out that activity.
FOSR has removed honeysuckle from the area for that reason. That's why you can now see down into that ravine next to the playground.
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sounds like some stricter police patrols of the area would be a better solution than moving the project across the river. if you already have too many cars driving too fast, this effort to thwart the building will not help. actually, you will probably get more help from the city to improve the safety of transportation (cars, bikes, feet, etc) with the boathouse there.
good luck living through the catastrophy, but i'm not losing sleep or time out of my day to give the rowers something they seem to desparately need in a location that seems perfectly suited to the purpose.
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