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I could definately see a Trader Joes/Whole Foods along with several restaurants/cafe/deli lining Neil Avenue with outdoor seating. If done right, that small section of Neil could look like Grandview Avenue and its abundance of outdoor dining. Add in 2 or 3 more floors of tiered residential on top w/rooftop garden space, a public 2 level garage to the north flanked by townhomes and a private 2 level garage to the south flanked by townhomes. It's nice to dream.
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CheeseFoodie
Harrison West
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I've been emailing Trader Joes every month suggesting Grandview Yard as a great location for one of their stores.
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Pickerington_Kyle
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Or we could have the First Jungle Jim's in Central Ohio right there. That would attract people all around the Metro.
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placebohigh
The Short North
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Here's hoping it's a Trader Joes! Giant Eagle and Whole Foods are so overpriced.
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columbusmike
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Seems like all the grocery stores in Columbus are going big scale. I'd like to see Columbus work with the surrounding suburbs to cap retail store sizes to prevent big-box groceries, retail stores, etc.
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Walker
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rus said:
Gotta wonder just how many specialty grocery stores the local market can support.As ColumbusMike is pointing out, it's more likely a measurement of total square footage rather than individual stores.
If a certain population could support one 100,000 square foot big box, or ten small 10,000 square foot neighborhood "speciality" stores, then there's your answer. It can support one or it can support ten.
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Walker said:
As ColumbusMike is pointing out, it's more likely a measurement of total square footage rather than individual stores.If a certain population could support one 100,000 square foot big box, or ten small 10,000 square foot neighborhood "speciality" stores, then there's your answer. It can support one or it can support ten.
So can it support one or ten?
Seems like there's already enough specialty grocery ( whole foods, market district, trader joes ) options in town and whichever goes in this location of whatever size or format is competing for the same customers.
I get that the developers would like some sort of grocery there to bring in traffic but I wonder if, or how well, that would work.
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columbusmike
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If Columbus really wants to become a walkable, vibrant, urban city...we need to ensure our grocery stores, one of the most fundamental elements of a neighborhood, is of the appropriate scale. Otherwise, we will see a continued trend in Columbus to have a few big box groceries pushing or preventing several local fish and meat markets, local bakeries, etc from opening shop. Places like Huffman's Market in Upper Arlington would be a fine scale for just about any urban neighborhood.
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Walker
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rus said:
So can it support one or ten?It can support X number of square feet, is my point. Not a total number of stores.
rus said:
Seems like there's already enough specialty grocery ( whole foods, market district, trader joes ) options in town and whichever goes in this location of whatever size or format is competing for the same customers. I get that the developers would like some sort of grocery there to bring in traffic but I wonder if, or how well, that would work.If the population is increasing in this area, and if customers are trending toward specialty stores, then the area could likely support another and continue to grow in that direction.
Anyway, this discussion is likely unnecessary. It sounds to me like this area is getting a bigger Giant Eagle and two others nearby will close.
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rus
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Walker said:
Probably. Thus the big box cycle continues.Most likely that's not going to change. Economies of scale lead to the same goods being cheaper and all and we've seen that most consumers are price sensitive more than they are anything else.
I'm not sure the customers would follow to a new location. VV types might head to the renovated kroghetto instead ( seems like it would be closer ). Grandview types might follow to grandview yard, but there's also target and krogers in easy distance.
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ricospaz
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I can walk or ride a bike to the current Giant Eagle on 5th in GV. I'd rather have a Trader Joes or something else in that location and have them create the Super GE down the road. parking sucks at the 5th Ave GE and it's a small store, doesn't have everything the other big box GEs have.
Trader Joes always seems crowded, at least the one in Dublin. While we're at it, put a City Barbecue in the old Hoggys location on 5th.
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Walker
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rus said:
Most likely that's not going to change. Economies of scale lead to the same goods being cheaper and all and we've seen that most consumers are price sensitive more than they are anything else.I've not noticed goods being any cheaper between the tiny German Village Giant Eagle and the newer 127,000 square foot Kingsdale Marketplace store. I think the "economies of scale" equation probably works as the company has more stores overall and the company itself is larger, but I don't think that translates much to individual store sizes. Perhaps Giant Eagle turns a higher profit with a larger store... but I don't think we're going to see cheaper goods in a larger version of one of their stores.
Anyway If "the economies of scale" were true for individual store sizes, then at what size would a store need to get for the items to be free? A million square feet? A billion?
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