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Started 1 year ago by tonloc620
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GCrites80s said:
There's plenty of parking. It is hidden though. We don't really need the 10% of people who lack cunning ruining our built environment. And people wonder what happened to American Ingenuity.

That gets back to the previous discussion on area familiarity.

Make it easy for people to get there even if they don't know the area and you'll get more people. Lowers the threshold for new visitors.

ETA: I'm not saying rip up the businesses on Grandview and replace them with parking, I'm saying this existing surface lot could be expanded with the removal of the building and serve as parking for the area.

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Walker
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rus said:
I'm saying this existing surface lot could be expanded with the removal of the building and serve as parking for the area.

Are you saying this is something the City of Columbus should pay for (with public tax dollars) as a free parking lot (to service businesses half located in Columbus and half in Grandview Heights)?

Or a private developer should do it and charge money and make a business of it?

Posted 6 months ago #
futureman
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rus said:
I'd like to see the one on 5th and grandview demolished and turned into a surface parking lot.

Grandview ave has become a destination; for people to go there, there must be adequate parking. Increase available parking and increase visitors.

I'd argue that plentiful parking at the Giant Eagle is too far out of the way for most of the visitors to the area. You have Aab next door, but they already have an agreement with UA bank for parking.

The area that actually does need additional parking is behind the Bank Block and between the post office and Figlio/Vino Vino. I don't see how adding a large surface lot the northern extreme of the area helps out, other than finding space for the valet's.

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Walker said:
Are you saying this is something the City of Columbus should pay for (with public tax dollars) as a free parking lot (to service businesses half located in Columbus and half in Grandview Heights)?

Or a private developer should do it and charge money and make a business of it?

Oh in a perfect world it would just happen. Like unicorn ranches and vertical farms.

Obviously that's not happening and odds are there are better uses of tax monies.

So if the property owner can make money at it, awesome. If not, then I'm wrong and there's a better use for that space.

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GCrites80s
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^Why should they bother if almost all if not all the retail spaces are occupied such as they are? If there wasn't enough parking, wouldn't at least a few of the 60+ retail units on the strip be empty? Even well-trafficed malls don't have vacancy rates that low.

alexs said:
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You're probably the one who pointed out the difference between the Dublin and Columbus sides of Sawmill. On the Dublin (west) side there's shrubbery and a glimpse of empty storefronts, seen across empty parking lots. On the Columbus side, it's roadside signs and storefronts and busy lots.

The situation we ran into was in the "Preserve" part of town on N. Hamilton north of Gahanna but south of New Albany. There was all this fake horse fencing and small landscaping hills that made it hard to see us. That, and the fact that we couldn't do anything with signs and how the road was engineered for 55 but was signed for 35 made people fly through there and miss us. When I started there in 2009 the strip mall was almost full; by the next year it was almost empty. Too far from the road.

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I'd argue that plentiful parking at the Giant Eagle is too far out of the way for most of the visitors to the area. You have Aab next door, but they already have an agreement with UA bank for parking.

The area that actually does need additional parking is behind the Bank Block and between the post office and Figlio/Vino Vino. I don't see how adding a large surface lot the northern extreme of the area helps out, other than finding space for the valet's.

I see what you mean; we're talking about a block or two walk, though. Might be too much for some, but doesn't seem completely out of bounds.

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GCrites80s said:

The situation we ran into was in the "Preserve" part of town on N. Hamilton north of Gahanna but south of New Albany. There was all this fake horse fencing and small landscaping hills that made it hard to see us. That, and the fact that we couldn't do anything with signs and how the road was engineered for 55 but was signed for 35 made people fly through there and miss us. When I started there in 2009 the strip mall was almost full; by the next year it was almost empty. Too far from the road.

Sounds like that's less about parking and more about "preserve" regulations. Were those same restrictions in place before 2009?

If it was all about parking, I presume the strip mall in question had the same design prior to 2009 when it was almost full?

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GCrites80s
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Yes, the strip mall was built that way in 2006ish. Probably everybody started out with 3-4 year leases, so that when those came up they bolted. Nonetheless, if there wasn't that big lot out front people could see the building from the road. If the parking was in the back people could see what was going on in the front.

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futureman
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On side note, does anyone know where the all the valets put the cars? I've seen them at Spencer Research, but that can't accommodate all of them.

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GCrites80s
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Maybe the lot behind the Bank Block. Never looked into it, actually. I walk there.

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Yes, the strip mall was built that way in 2006ish. Probably everybody started out with 3-4 year leases, so that when those came up they bolted. Nonetheless, if there wasn't that big lot out front people could see the building from the road. If the parking was in the back people could see what was going on in the front.

Or if there weren't regulations against signage and fake horse fencing?

From your description, it doesn't sound like placement of parking was a single cause.

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GCrites80s said:
Maybe the lot behind the Bank Block. Never looked into it, actually. I walk there.

Possible, but see the valets jogging from side streets as well.

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GCrites80s
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rus said:
Or if there weren't regulations against signage and fake horse fencing?

From your description, it doesn't sound like placement of parking was a single cause.

All that crap wouldn't have mattered if people could see the store but the parking is what put it over the cliff They weren't regulations. The strip mall was located in the City of Columbus and there was no special district or anything like that. The landlords did it on their own thinking that you can put lipstick on a pig. It wasn't the "damn gubmint".

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futureman
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rus said:
Possible, but see the valets jogging from side streets as well.

Actually having looked at google maps I'd say they are parking at the catholic school which has a separate larger parking lot from the church.

That's a sizable lot that is well hidden from sight. I'd like to see a partnership with the school to allow for public parking in the evenings rather than a piece of prime real estate on Grandview Ave used for a surface lot.

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GCrites80s
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I know they let vendors use it during Grandview Hop.

Posted 6 months ago #
ricospaz

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Parking is still worse in the Short North. There's plenty of parking in Grandview, except for some lazy bastards not willing to walk a block.

Posted 6 months ago #
murfmurphy
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susank said:
+1 Trader Joe's would be a great fit in the Victorian Village Neil Ave plaza.

I just found this nugget while trying to go back and figure out who, and what Rus was trolling with his parking lot comments. ;-)

Considering the locations that they currently have, I think the new Westland could be a good spot for a Trader Joe's.

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joshlapp
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Earlier this year my planning class at OSU worked with the City of Grandview Heights on a plan to address the parking situation and came up with a number of proposals to address the situation. I can tell you there is not a lack of parking available, but mostly a lack of knowledge of its availability.

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murfmurphy said:
I just found this nugget while trying to go back and figure out who, and what Rus was trolling with his parking lot comments. ;-)

Please. I'm better at trolling that THAT. ;-)

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joshlapp said:
I can tell you there is not a lack of parking available, but mostly a lack of knowledge of its availability.

Which is why I like visible parking; no problem with knowledge of it's availability.

To those who hate visible parking, what's the answer? Should people never visit areas they're not familiar with?

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