Coreroc
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MIAMI — Graffiti was once considered a sign of urban decay, the sort of thing that might keep tourists away from a neighborhood.
Now, not only is it an accepted art form, but it’s also the subject of a new tour in one of Miami’s trendiest neighborhoods, Wynwood, where legal outdoor murals by graffiti artists cover the walls near art galleries and restaurants.Read more on the Columbus Dispatch website
lifeontwowheels
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Coreroc said:
MIAMI — Graffiti was once considered a sign of urban decay, the sort of thing that might keep tourists away from a neighborhood.Now, not only is it an accepted art form, but it’s also the subject of a new tour in one of Miami’s trendiest neighborhoods, Wynwood, where legal outdoor murals by graffiti artists cover the walls near art galleries and restaurants.Read more on the Columbus Dispatch website
These days, building owners give permission to artists to spray-paint their designs, and the legal pieces share the walls of dozens of neighborhood art galleries and chic restaurants. They’re easy to distinguish from illegal graffiti, which is often done quickly. Artists can take their time with the sanctioned murals, incorporating elaborate details.
I think that's the take away from this. I think most people here would support something like this. What they don't support are inconsiderate douche-bag "artists" trespassing on property in the middle of the night to tag their name on someone else's building.
Hell, check this out. If you want to do some legal street art, this might be an opportunity.
joshlapp
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Tagging is not art. The people who tag canot claim to be artists. Street Art and Tagging are two vastly different things. I don't think anyone would mind seeing more street are. What I don't need to see is giant letters such as HWC over every blank space in our neighborhoods.
Walker
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Coreroc
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Walker I'm just posting something that sheds a positive light on something that I am passionate about and discussed often on this board. If you don't appreciate me doing this I would suggest you not being in the business of public forum/opinion. I didn't even add 2 cants to this post so what is your purpose behind calling me out?
Coreroc
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joshlapp said:
Tagging is not art. The people who tag canot claim to be artists. Street Art and Tagging are two vastly different things. I don't think anyone would mind seeing more street are. What I don't need to see is giant letters such as HWC over every blank space in our neighborhoods.
I tag and I AM AN ARTIST!
Walker
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Coreroc said:
Walker I'm just posting something that sheds a positive light on something that I am passionate about and discussed often on this board.
Pointing out that it is not a problem in Miami indicates that you're inversely pointing it out as a problem in Columbus.
Which would make for an interesting discussion I guess, but you're talking about two completely different things:
• Legal murals in Miami
• Illegal tags in Columbus
Apples & oranges.
I pointed out Urban Scrawl as an example where legal street art is accepted and even celebrated by many in Columbus. You seem to be the only person who refuses to recognize that there are differences between legal murals and illegal tagging and that anyone who wants to acknowledge a difference there is an uneducated "troll" because they disagree with you.
Coreroc said:If you don't appreciate me doing this I would suggest you not being in the business of public forum/opinion. I didn't even add 2 cants to this post so what is your purpose behind calling me out?
I never said I didn't appreciate anything. You're more than welcome to share whatever you want here. But you can also expect people to disagree with you, so no need to get bent out of shape about it. That's a part of this thing called "having a conversation".
Rockmastermike
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Mercurius
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More than Dunchamp's Fountain, a tag is certainly art - if for nothing more than the criticism and controversy it creates. The only difference being that tags are associated with negative sensori-emotional values rather than positive (for most people.) It's ugly ass art that I hate - but art all the same.
Coreroc
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Actually what I see in this article is not a direct comparison between cities, but more so a difference in mentality. Very large cities like Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago, New York, and San Fransisco for example embrace public art more and welcoome it into the cultural fabric of the area code.
It's not often that I paint in public in Columbus and have people come up and argue that what I am doing IS NOT ART. Everytime I work at Urban Scrawl, Art al Fresco, or even just the Hubbard and High Street wall on the Ibiza lot. I get nothing but positive comments and droves of people taking pictures and asking polite art based questions. I could only hope that one day our community as a whole sees a reason to embrace the art form and that in turn I believe could help turn the quantity we see today into the quality we would appreciate in our city. The event in Upper Arlington is a good example. Because they are able to surpress the nusance side of graffiti they were very open and sought out Graffiti and street artists to display art in not only their premire gallery. They also embraced it enough to teach the kids of Jones Middle School about the art form and allow them to create artwork that will hang in a formal gallery next to established street and fine artists. I can only imagine if this kind of support and education was around when I was taking tot he artform. I on the other hand had to learn from the streets which as we know simply isn't as nurturing as a classroom. So it all starts with support and knowledge passed on to the next generation. As a public figure and somewhat of a role model to the younger generations I can only hope to push them more towards art than vandalism if they choose street level art as their creative voice.
lifeontwowheels
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See that I can get behind.
DavidF
Elysium Fields
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Coreroc said:
I tag and I AM AN ARTIST!
Don't think anyone said otherwise. As always, I appreciated your longer post. You know I'm not opposed to the art, I'm opposed to the idea of foisting upon someone else's property without their consent.
And even you should be able to concede that the vast majority of tags have no artistic intent or merit.
Coreroc
Egoville USA
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@DavidF I will agree that most tags are not a work of beauty. However on that same notion I feel the same way about most underdeveloped artists and their works. That said some artist have gone to reach amazing new levels with tags as their sole means of self expression.
Jose Parla for exapmle creates some of the most amazing abstracts I have seen with just the simple repitition of the same word over and over to create paintings with rich texture and layers upon layers for the viewer to delve into. I consider this guy brilliant considering I don't often see someone that can bring a new style to abstract expressionism. Let alone make it street! here are some of his images:
Here are a few other examples of high art tags/installations:
DavidF
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Coreroc said:
@DavidF I will agree that most tags are not a work of beauty. However on that same notion I feel the same way about most underdeveloped artists and their works. That said some artist have gone to reach amazing new levels with tags as their sole means of self expression.Jose Parla for exapmle creates some of the most amazing abstracts I have seen with just the simple repitition of the same word over and over to create paintings with rich texture and layers upon layers for the viewer to delve into. I consider this guy brilliant considering I don't often see someone that can bring a new style to abstract expressionism. Let alone make it street! here are some of his images:
Here are a few other examples of high art tags/installations:
Absolutely no dispute from me. That is amazing work.
myliftkk
Columbus, OH
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Having spent some time in Miami, and having walked nearly all of Wynnwood in detail very recently, let me add a bit of nuance to the mix relating to the article specifically (which reads like a bad press release).
A lot of the murals and the impressive tags in Wynnwood aren't put there by Miami artists (anecdotally quite a few of the local kids I met disliked the scene down there immensely). They're done during Art Basel by out-of-town artists who come down for the event. There is also actually quite a bit of real poor quality graf on the outskirts and in abandoned buildings in the area.
To the extent that Miami supports Wynnwood, one has to realize that Wynnwood is a fairly large arts district (we're talking much larger than the SN), but is also virtually empty of residents. It's a warehouse district in the true sense of the word, so there's very little for rich condo-ites to complain about. They want to see high-quality street art, they go to Wynnwood for openings once a month, they want to live in their condos without a trace of graffiti nearby, they go back to the towers on the beach. I'd hardly call that symbiosis a full-throated embrace of graffiti in that city.
After spending multiple days talking to a number of street artists who gave up graffiti years earlier to focus on professional pursuits, you realize their own retrospective opinions on tagging are all over the map. And, their opinions on younger generations of taggers aren't nearly always as charitable as one might expect.
Right now street art is in vogue amongst the upper crust of the art world. Is that a permanent state, who knows? Tagging as an art form was in vogue back in the 70s IIRC, so to assume that the art world, which to an extent follows the opinions of the ultra-wealthy, is going to permanently embrace the street medium is heavily depending on a traditionally fickle self-selecting group of people. People should be wary of assuming big cities will continue their embrace of street art, especially since a spate of articles has started appearing out west focusing on the maintenance headache that throw-ups are costing of the city of Los Angeles.
Wherever someone comes down on the street art/graffiti medium, the reality is much more nuanced than Miami > Columbus, and the future will be too.
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