before I start, 80% of my first post in this thread was tongue-in-cheek, but i'll splain some things from my perspective as well... mostly straightforward this time.
mightymighty wrote and this may shock the living crap out of you but I kinda think that women do in fact have the right to orgasm (and are you implying that a lass having her 'O' face is somehow not desirable or attractive to men? I kinda figured that was part of their goal in bedding chicks)
for me, it's all about the 'O' face... but, and this is a common but, it takes a lot of practice and understanding to really *get* what is right for each partner, some are great and can talk you through what works for them- most are not... and it's damned intimidating trying to make that first night with a new woman pleasant when she's not communicative, as I'm sure it is for a woman dealing with an uncommunicative man. Luhmann says that the language of love is ruined when we have to use words to express the emotional inertia when we fall for each other - but when we rely on cues, inuendo, and assumptions we can totally screw with each other's heads and develop inappropriate expectations or other strange neurosis. Not to mention that some people are inexperienced enough that they don't even know what they like, so until you let them practice for a while and offer instruction they are just going to be a bad lay. And yes, I know I think too much about these things... I've been told several times.
As far as the progess women have made in the bedroom - I just like toying with how in the 50's it was all about the man being aggressive and taking his pleasure without consideration of his partner, now it's about giving pleasure - and that's a more stressful situation for some guys, but I think many rise up to the task... or they have really forgiving partners.
mightymighty wrote I just don't get it, cos breeding, as you call it (I calls it sex, cos sex is sex and breeding is making the babys and I do not make the babys) is hardwired into us, attraction and desire comes naturally, so know thyself!, is how I see this.of course, some cats are just a-sexual, n' that's ok too.
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footnote, if sex isn't a human right, then our peoples be in trouble.
Sex is breeding, the only way not to breed is to not have sex or otherwise risk getting a semen and an egg in the same bathroom stall at club reproduction... just because you're taking precautions doesn't mean you're not breeding- ask my parents about that one! I'm immersed in emotional, stupid, manipulative people my entire workday... some of them don't plan to breed and it just happens, some breed just to breed, some breed to add to the drama in their lives or to increase the amount of government assistance they can receive. Just because you don't want children doesn't mean I can't call you a breeder, it's your world though- as chuck berry says "live how you want to live". Am I judging anyone, not really, maybe my life is less fulfilled because I'm really slow at developing a relationship before I feel comfortable having sex with someone... but it seems right for me and I try to avoid people who don't want a relationship or want the physical right up front. I'm not a prowler or a prowlee at the club, that dance is always available and stocked with willing partners with varying levels of experience and baggage for those interested.
If something is a right, we can't be denied it? We can demand it, we can protest it being denied... it's just too pushy of an idea for me, allows for people to get ugly with it. I just always feel that sex being a right that we are entitled to and able to demand as a justification for a lot of behavior I'm not down with like adultery and spousal abuse. Sex to me is an expression, and if they only thing I'm expressing is that I want to get laid tonight by some younger girl and not have a relationship... I'm probably better off with panda porn, way less headaches than dealing with the fact that I might develop feelings afterwards or she might develop feelings afterward just to get shit on...
getting shit on sucks. I guess mandating that it's a one-night thing eliminates that possibility for that suckage for you it you're certain about it... but the other person might not be as certain, and they might be capable of psychotic/sociopathic behavior. Maybe I lack trust in strangers or humanity in general... there's a much longer explanation behind that assertion though.
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