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If the hearing will bear any semblance to the flurry of activity in this thread, I'll have to make every effort to attend. Tomorrow in Judge Hale's courtroom, right?
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Franklin Park Trolley Barn
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heresthecasey
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Mercurius
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Concerned said:
After looking at those properties[s] you "mercurius" posted yesterday, wish I was related - looks like Minnie may have the resources you don't have, Jon, or should I call you by any of the other names you post under on this site.Drats! You uncovered my diabolical plan. I've been posting to Columbus Underground in various topics for five years all to make you believe I'm a separate persona from Jon Beard. I don't care at all about bettering Columbus--and this entire time on CU, my only intent has been to be ready for when this topic came up, so I could smear Minnie McGee's good name through the mud.
Concerned said:
Let's take a closer look at these pictures...no broken windowsNotice the broken window on the first floor?
Concerned said:gutters attached
Yes, nice gutter attachment!
Concerned said:roofs in place and the list goes on.
What a great roof!
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Concerned
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Touche, Mercurius, but you took the time to look through 261 court cases to see if Minnie was a plaintiff or defendant? Be careful about caring about Minnie's business too much; somebody might think you're kin. If it's so important to you, post all of her property for us to see. I think you should take a look at the first picture. See how there are white coverings, indicating blinds or curtains? If that was a broken window, there wouldn't be a black image there...SMH
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franklinbc
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Concerned said:
That's laughable. Who's Buffie? I guess anyone who doesn't hate Minnie must be kin. I guess anyone who is interested in development but doesn't believe your "plan" must be related. Sorry, you are totally WRONG. LOL. After looking at those properties [s]you "mercurius" posted yesterday, wish I was related - looks like Minnie may have the resources you don't have, Jon, or should I call you by any of the other names you post under on this site.Listen to your own advice and stop using this as your forum to smear people or stir up drama. At least Jon has the courage to sign his name behind what he says. You are welcome to join "that community you have a vested interest in" tomorrow at court. Speak up, make your point heard, but keep in mind this about the property and making it safe and part of the community. it isn't about the columbus compact, they don't own this land.
You may be sad to see it isn't a bunch of angry people trying to take the owners land. Stop suggesting people are angry, vindictive or there is some crazy evil plan.
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Mercurius
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JeepGirl said:
I have no opinion one way or the other on this topic, but considering the pictures and stated number of properties (75) are 23 code cases a big number? Are those current cases, or accumulated over a period of time?Genuinely don't know here, just curious.
I'm really not sure either--but would imagine there are some options to remedy problems at a property before it actually gets brought to court? I'd think the court, City of Columbus and prosecutor would be busy enough that something would have to be pretty egregious for them to take the time to actually prosecute for code, little alone 23 times.
My only point in posting the pictures of her other properties was to show this is not isolated, and that there is history of her not maintaining her properties.
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Concerned
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I wouldn't be sad, franklinbc, but I'm similar to you. Just like you signed up about 2 weeks ago and have only posted on this topic and have not put all your personal details up, I have the same right. I started off by asking simple questions after I read the Dispatch article because I believe, like you, it's about the property and not necessarily about people. James Flannery's approach is consistent with what I'm talking about here. You can tell he is a true believer in seeing the property improved and doesn't have any other agenda. But the other stuff I've seen...I don't think it's necessary. When we denigrate people, it makes it harder to heal with the dust is settled. For example, I wish Jon Beard hadn't used terms such as hoarder, bad owner, and greedy on a public forum to describe an owner he wants to do business with - who knows what may have happened without type of language? I'm an advocate of selling, but if the owner keeps it, she must keep it up to code and hopefully develop it so that it improves the neighborhood.
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franklinbc
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I wouldn't be sad, franklinbc, but I'm similar to you. Just like you signed up about 2 weeks ago and have only posted on this topic and have not put all your personal details up, I have the same right. I started off by asking simple questions after I read the Dispatch article because I believe, like you, it's about the property and not necessarily about people. James Flannery's approach is consistent with what I'm talking about here. You can tell he is a true believer in seeing the property improved and doesn't have any other agenda. But the other stuff I've seen...I don't think it's necessary. When we denigrate people, it makes it harder to heal with the dust is settled. For example, I wish Jon Beard hadn't used terms such as hoarder, bad owner, and greedy on a public forum to describe an owner he wants to do business with - who knows what may have happened without type of language? I'm an advocate of selling, but if the owner keeps it, she must keep it up to code and hopefully develop it so that it improves the neighborhood.As I mentioned I am a resident, and I did sign up to join this conversation. You've implied multiple times there is some secret agenda and made it sound like it is the community, not one person you have an issue with. I'd like to see this thread get back on point.....The trolley barn and its' current state. The City has pressed charges because the property has many code violations and it has remained in this condition for multiple years.
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franklinbc, I agree with you - let's keep it about the property...but then Mercurius claims Minnie has 23 "code" cases against her. I had to check this out. And he is wrong. Mercurius - I urge you to revisit your search and check out some of the cases you claims are for "code" violations. Some are, yes - but check. I would hope, if you are wrong, that you would come here and publicly apologize for your mistake.
Stuff like that clouds the issue and puts the focus on the owner and makes me question agendas...
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NDaEast
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I wish Jon Beard hadn't used terms such as hoarder, bad owner, and greedy on a public forum to describe an owner he wants to do business with - who knows what may have happened without type of language?Rightttt ... When you're drowning and somebody throws you a lifeline, you don't have to like the person who throws it to grab ahold. Self-preservation says you grab the life line. And then you smile like hell when the person who threw the lifeline hands you a check for his troubles.
Anything other than that, I can't understand other than we're back to cut off your nose to spite your face.
BTW ... a $4M financing gap is a deficit, not a profit.
--Mercurious -- oops, I mean, Jon
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Snarf
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Let's keep it about the property?
It's not the property's fault it's fallen to shit and violating code, it's the OWNER of that property's fault.
Who the owner is and their history with poor property ownership/management IS relevant to the conversation here, whether someone is suspiciously personally offended by it or not.
Also descriptions like greed and hoarder are very aptly applied. It's not mud slinging when it's true.
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franklinbc
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The owner needs to take responsibility, the code violations and today's court case are a result of the owner's actions. Just saw on the Oak Kelton FB page "We're looking at some options for the gate, which was noted in another post. It will be temporary, as the goal is to eventually replace the entire fencing structure." The gate has been busted for some time and they are just now getting to it. When will this owner realize her GOAL shouldn't be to maintain the property but as the owner it is her RESPONSIBILTY? And as usual, no time table for this to happen.
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Jon, make sure you tell the court that she's greedy and a hoarder today before you talk about your "deal." Be real about it and your feelings. Too bad you cannot afford the property.
Snarf, you, along with Jon, are the proof to my points. You can tell someone that it's been too long and nothing has been done to the property and you must fix it without the name-calling and other stuff. Take some notes from JamesF. All that vitriol is just not necessary. I'm not personally offended at all.
franklinbc, I told you that I agree with you. It is her responsibility. I told you I'm an advocate of selling - to someone who can afford to purchase it and develop it without speculation so that there is a guarantee it can be fixed. If not, turn that beast into a vacant lot.
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Snarf
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It's not vitriol if it's true.
And personally speaking, I'm all for punitive measures against the owner. Make a lesson out of her, something tangible to show that absentee slumlords don't get a pass in this city. I also personally hope she loses money on this, because that's apparently the only thing she cares about.
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franklinbc
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Is the property currently for sale? I haven't seen anything on the property or in the community that the property is on the market. I understand an offer has been made by one group, but that doesn't mean the owner has it up for sale. I am not hip how commercial land is advertised for sale, but most stuff in our neighborhood that is available has a "for sale" sign attached to it or you can find listed on the market. Perhaps if the owner is opening willing to sell other buyers will emerge?
But, as long as she remains the owner it is her responsible to keep the property up to code. Just because it will take too much to develop or there are questions about how to fix the site isn't a valid reason to leave it unattended and allow it to become a danger to the community. The owner choose to purchase this site, and with that purchase came responsibility. And it is already a vacant lot.. with code violations. It is her choice how to remedy those issues. No one is preventing her from addressing the issues, we are simply asking her to do something.
I am starting to sound like Richard Parker… “with property ownership comes great responsibility.”
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NDaEast
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Jon, make sure you tell the court that she's greedy and a hoarder today before you talk about your "deal." Be real about it and your feelings. Too bad you cannot afford the property.@Concerned ... you are confused and don't understand how real estate is developed, and the steps prudent people take to mitigate the very real risks of investment.
To draw on my analogy, not just do you want me to save the struggling swimmer, but you want me to jump in with her and let her climb on my back and risk drowning me while she climbs to safety. I'm proposing that I reach out with the shephards hook, and if she grabs it that's great, but if she doesn't grab it that's on her -- the offer was extended. Maybe she has a plan, but in any case I'm safe and dry where I am.
Finally, it is not my hearing, it is Ms. McGee's hearing: she is the one who will be talking, I'll be sitting in the audience as a non-participant listening. I'm just curious why you are focused on your perception that I "can not afford the property," when from all appearances, Ms. McGee can not afford the property.
I'm not mad at her and I reached out to help her, but she doesn't want it. That's o.k. with me. It doesn't impact my life negatively to not get a chance to save the property -- it would be a cool thing to do, but it doesn't negatively impact my life at all to not do. See you in court, Buffie.
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