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misskitty
Columbus
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This is always such a complicated subject.

Someone Tell me one thing why is it that the republicans are usually Pro-Life yet they are anti-Welfare and things of that nature. You would think they would want more people to abort so they would not have to support any more people on their supposed dime? ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a little odd
We should give the Pill out to people for free but then all the pro-life people would try to have that changed as well. Apparently they want kids everywhere and they donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want to take care of them when the parents fail or donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want to deal with it.
Abortions not cheap so chances are people donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t use that as a standard birth control option. People love to use that argument but I have never seen anyone back that idea up with facts or numbers. I believe itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a scare tactic.

Anyway
I am Pro-Choice or Pro-Abortion depending on the particular situation. I have a kid and since I had him the pill is my best friend if the pill should fail me wellÃ¢â‚¬Â¦Ã¢â‚¬Â¦

Posted 2 years ago #
AmyD
Columbus, Ohio
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The thing with saying "except in certain situations" regarding abortion is that it's a slippery slope and impossible to say who has a valid reason in that person's opinion and who doesn't.
I'm pro-choice/ anti-unwanted baby. My doctor is Catholic and not would prefer no one have abortions. But being a DOCTOR, he knows the benefit of this procedure. He said to me, "if you get pregnant, you must come in right away and we have to terminate it or it would be fatal."
My situation is not unique. I have 3 kids.
Also, isn't it dangerous to have an abortion before 8 weeks? I can't recall why. anyone?

Posted 2 years ago #
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
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Senate OKs abortion ban after 20 weeks

THURSDAY, APRIL 7, 2011
BY JIM SIEGEL
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Ohio took another step toward outlawing late-term abortions with yesterday's Senate approval of a bill that would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy if a doctor determines that the fetus could live outside the womb.

The 24-8 vote was the latest in a series of actions this year on abortion-related bills in the Republican-controlled legislature.

READ MORE: http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/04/07/copy/senate-oks-abortion-ban-after-20-weeks.html?adsec=politics&sid=101

Posted 2 years ago #
Twixlen
The Weston District
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It's really like the next 3.4 years can't pass quickly enough.

Posted 2 years ago #
berdawn
near that stretch of N. High Street in the Short North
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AmyD wrote >>
The thing with saying "except in certain situations" regarding abortion is that it's a slippery slope and impossible to say who has a valid reason in that person's opinion and who doesn't.
I'm pro-choice/ anti-unwanted baby. My doctor is Catholic and not would prefer no one have abortions. But being a DOCTOR, he knows the benefit of this procedure. He said to me, "if you get pregnant, you must come in right away and we have to terminate it or it would be fatal."
My situation is not unique. I have 3 kids.
Also, isn't it dangerous to have an abortion before 8 weeks? I can't recall why. anyone?

I've never read anything like that. It's more common now, but it used to be pretty rare for women to even know they are pregnant before 6 weeks. Spontaneous abortion is typical that early, some women do not even realize that they are pregnant; it's one of the reasons that criminalizing abortion is such a dangerous precedent.

Posted 2 years ago #
rus

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Kinda scratching my head at this one... I mean, I'm pro-abortion / anti-child so I'm against restrictions on abortion.

At the same time, how many women wait until 20 weeks have gone by to have one?

Will this have any significant effect on abortion rates, or is the idea that it's a restriction... once people are comfortable with "reasonable restrictions" then the definition of "reasonable" gets changed to something more restrictive?

Posted 2 years ago #
Parker
Franklinton
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women will have as many children as the state tells them they must. Apparently George Carlin was right, again, "if you're pre-born, you're okay, if you're pre-K, then you're [screwed]"

Posted 2 years ago #
Parker
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Twixlen wrote >>
It's really like the next 3.4 years can't pass quickly enough.

Agreed, and I hate wishing away that much of my daughters childhood.

Posted 2 years ago #
hugh59
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This is not the time for this divisive bill (of course, maybe it it is never the time).

Posted 2 years ago #
jackoh
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hugh59 wrote >>
This is not the time for this divisive bill (of course, maybe it it is never the time).

Of course this is the time. You've got to keep pressing when you're on a roll, and you've got the votes. (What will they think of next?)

Posted 2 years ago #
Red Sun Rising

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This from "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin De Becker,published in 98 (I know it's old) so imagine the numbers today...

"By this time tomorrow, 400 more Americans will suffer a shooting injury, another 1,100 will face a criminal with a gun, as Kelly did. Within the hour, 75 other women will be raped, as Kelly was."

"While we are quick to judge the human rights record of every other country on earth, it is we civilized Americans who kill women and children with alarming frequency. In (sad) fact, if a full jumbo jet crashed into a mountain killing everyone on board, and if that happened every month, month in and month out, the number of people killed still wouldn't equal the number of women murdered by their husbands and boyfriends each year.

We all watched as bodies were carried away from the Oklahoma City bombing and to our horror, learned that 19 children had died in the blast. You now know that 70 children died that same week at the hands of a parent, just like every week, and most of them were under 5 years old. Four million luckier children were physically abused last year, and it was not an unusual year."

And why do men frequently kill pregnant women they are or were in a relationship with? Because they don't want to be inconvenienced with child support and raising a child they didn't want. And why do we have so many criminals? Children who were unwanted, neglected, abused were destined to end up in another system. How many of these pro-lifers adopt or foster? How many of these pro-lifers support war? The "right" to life doesn't begin and end with abortion. They need to stop the war on women. We have a population problem and an infrastructure support problem. Too many discarded children rot in orphanages already. Brilliant.

Posted 2 years ago #
BuckeyeShadow
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If men could get pregnant, this would be a total non-issue.

Posted 2 years ago #
sirlancelot

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One could argue that the "Heartbeat" and similar anti-abortion bills violate freedom of religion because different religons have their own doctrines on when human life begins, or when the unborn have a soul. We can agree that once born, we are all human beings with defined rights. I am amazed that the pro-choice movement does not argue the religious freedom aspect more forcefully.

Posted 2 years ago #
gramarye
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BuckeyeShadow wrote >>
If men could get pregnant, this would be a total non-issue.

If men could get pregnant, they'd be women. :-P

Posted 2 years ago #
gramarye
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sirlancelot wrote >>
One could argue that the "Heartbeat" and similar anti-abortion bills violate freedom of religion because different religons have their own doctrines on when human life begins, or when the unborn have a soul. We can agree that once born, we are all human beings with defined rights. I am amazed that the pro-choice movement does not argue the religious freedom aspect more forcefully.

That's not the way freedom of religion works. Freedom of religion involves the right to practice your religion, not to have its tenets enacted into public policy. (There are a number of pro-life evangelicals who *also* need to hear that message, of course.)

Posted 2 years ago #
SusanB
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One could argue that the "Heartbeat" and similar anti-abortion bills violate freedom of religion because different religons have their own doctrines on when human life begins, or when the unborn have a soul. We can agree that once born, we are all human beings with defined rights. I am amazed that the pro-choice movement does not argue the religious freedom aspect more forcefully.

When abortion was being debated in NY in the 70's (I believe NY legalized abortion in the mid 70's) Rabbis testified that according to Halacha (Jewish law) the life of the mother always came first. While that helped legalize abortion in NY I don't think that the fundies care what Jews think today, unless it is part of the wacky Israel has to be Jewish for the second coming of Bejeusu stuff......

Posted 2 years ago #
Twixlen
The Weston District
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It just passed.

ETA - That is HB125, the "Heartbeat Bill" passed. Welcome to the new Ohio, ladies.

Posted 1 year ago #
DonnaTate

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Hasn't abortion always been banned at the point of viability? Technology has just advanced enough that viability is at 20 weeks instead of 24. At that point, a child could survive outside the mother's womb, so to me this isn't an issue of a woman's choice anymore. Besides, an abortion at a gestational age that advanced is induction of labor. You give birth. If you're going to abort that late in the game, you might as well consider adoption. The procedure is identical on your part, the child just has a chance at life.

Posted 1 year ago #
osulew
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The ban on late term abortion is HB 78 Donna...which also passed. However HB 125 bans abortion as soon as there is a detectable heartbeat...as early as 6 weeks. So...yeah.

Posted 1 year ago #
jackoh
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Just what we need; a bunch of legislators at the state capitol making and enforcing medical decisions for the residents of Ohio, rather than leaving it up to the doctors and their patients. I wonder if those legislators could be sued for malpractice in the case of a bad outcome.

Posted 1 year ago #