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Wow. That blows. On so many levels I hardly know where to start, and I'm frankly too short on time to spend a lot on it.
Clearly this woman is misguided and mentally challenged.
Her methods of coping with our present social paradigm and her family dynamics are delusional and dysfunctional and thankfully, the village idiot proved incompetent. The fact that she would contrive such a heinous plan, and worse, target a minor, is clearly derelict.The comparison to the welfare system and concentration camps is accurate, and this case has been made by numerous academics, including those who were prisoners in said camps. There are several books written on that comparison, also authored by former Holocaust survivors. To marginalize the animal rights movement and this comparison based on the acts of the misguided action of a mentally challenged individual is also delusional. The media's attempt to trivialize the importance of this movement based on this comparison is also misguided; as is triumphantly declaring Godwin's Law.
The fact that she would target a fur wearer, shows how problematic single issue campaigns of the welfare movement really are. There is no difference between
wearing fur or leather. As I've previously stated elsewhere on this board the focus of the animal rights agenda must remain on one fact: the non-human individual's present status as property for the exploitation for any human purposes.Advancing animal rights is a valiant effort, it has a rich history rooted in some of our culture's (and other cultures) most revered, innovative and philosophical thinkers and social justice advocates: Pythagoras, Aristotle, Seneca, Plutarch, Socrates, Plato, Leonardo DaVinci, Henry David Thoreau, Ben Franklin, Thomas Edison, Abraham Lincoln, Tolstoy, Gandhi, Einstein, Isaac Bashevis Singer, Coretta Scott King, Alice Walker, Cesar Chavez just to name a few. Unfortunately, in the present culture and social support system, people don't come equipped with or even know where to get what they need in functional coping methods or where to seek training on effective tactics to wage a peaceful transition to a functional resonance social structure. She probably didn't even know she was delusional and dysfunctional.
If I would have seen someone show up at my school when I was a kid and talk about being a social justice advocate, I would have been on that like white on rice, unfortunately, it took me over 25 years to stumble across the issue of animal rights, and for all those years of eating and wearing animals, supporting marine parks, circuses and zoo's I actually believed I was an animal lover. I don't doubt that I was, I was just ignorant to the system that is adeptly hidden from view and hadn't ever really pondered the processes, looked beyond the marketing campaigns, and naively accepted weak, delusional justifications of "That is what they were bred for- that is their purpose for existence". Oh, really? When you look into the facts, that is obviously not what the exploited in our system thinks, feels or believes- as just as you can tell by a beloved family pets expressions of desires, the perspective of the enslaved is equally intuitive, at least if one has developed any sense of empathy. It is glaringly obvious they don't willingly enter into this social contract we have designated for them for by some book contrived by man and foisted off as a divine right. Where is that part about love, peace and compassion again? In retrospect, I am ashamed to have bought into such simple thinking for so long. What an ignorant, horrifying, festering, violent, deadly....disconnect.
Over the billions of years of Earth's existence, it took the human species until 1800 to reach our first billion in population. In 1930 we reached 2 billion. At world population ballooning from 2 billion to 7 billion over the last 82 years, we really cannot afford to allow this simple minded, brain washing and severe injustice to continue. Our lives depend on us reconnecting with this orb that sustains life and cease conquering earth as if we were a witless virus. Our industrialized exploits have resulted in ecocide and ecological scientists state that "livestock production" is the leading cause of this blight. Nearly 300 species are going extinct per day or 20,000-30,000 species extinction per year (over 1,000 times the natural rate of extinction). Over 94% of the aquatic life has been fished out of the ocean's "fisheries" over the last 50 years and more that 80% of the Amazon has been lost in the same span. At what point do we pull our head out and make some minor modifications in behavior that transitions to an opportunity to live sustainably? Really, in 2012, are we really just a virus? For the love of life, I hope not. This path has grave consequences coming within the next 5 years and if you think the government's coping response to hurricane Katrina was woefully inadequate,that is child's play compared to the imminence of what is bearing down on us as we dally in delusional distractions like sports and entertainment. I believe people are inherently good, the subject of this thread likely suffers post traumatic stress disorder with an IQ under 100, and hence, clearly is not equipped with the tools to cope with the matter functionally or effectively.
Ideally, our media sources would use the critical thinking skills they developed in their college education to become journalists, instead of the rampant exacerbation of phobias with sensationalism. Simply substitute Animal Rights Activism for veganism into the study below.
Vegephobia: Derogatory Discourses of Veganism and the Reproduction of Speciesism in UK National Newspapers
Submitted on Jun 06, 2011 (Original item from 2011) Vegetarianism and Veganism | International Research | Psychology, Social Development, Social Motivations | Vegetarian Social, Psychological and Moral Development | Vegetarian Motivations or Barriers | Vegetarian Population
by London School of Economics and Political Science
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An examination of references to veganism within United Kingdom national newspapers from the year 2007 found that in general, newspapers from this era discredited veganism through the portrayal of derogatory stereotypes. The end result of such bias resulted in a manifestation termed herein as "vegaphobia."Abstract:
Article Abstract:"This paper critically examines discourses of veganism in UK national newspapers in 2007. In setting parameters for what can and cannot easily be discussed, dominant discourses also help frame understanding. Discourses relating to veganism are therefore presented as contravening commonsense, because they fall outside readily understood meat-eating discourses. Newspapers tend to discredit veganism through ridicule, or as being difficult or impossible to maintain in practice. Vegans are variously stereotyped as ascetics, faddists, sentimentalists, or in some cases, hostile extremists. The overall effect is of a derogatory portrayal of vegans and veganism that we interpret as ‘vegaphobia’. We interpret derogatory discourses of veganism in UK national newspapers as evidence of the cultural reproduction of speciesism, through which veganism is dissociated from its connection with debates concerning nonhuman animals' rights or liberation. This is problematic in three, interrelated, respects. First, it empirically misrepresents the experience of veganism, and thereby marginalizes vegans. Second, it perpetuates a moral injury to omnivorous readers who are not presented with the opportunity to understand veganism and the challenge to speciesism that it contains. Third, and most seriously, it obscures and thereby reproduces exploitative and violent relations between human and nonhuman animals."
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-4446.2010....Spot Check Number: 1708
Sponsor: London School of Economics and Political Science
Researcher/Author: Matthew Cole, Karen Morgan
Animal Type: Farm Animals
Record Type: Academic Paper, Survey Summary
Research Method: Literature Review
Geographic Region: International
Number of Participants: Unidentified
Population Descriptors: 2007 UK national newspapers
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Twixlen
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Once again. Red Sun Rising - comparing anything - ANYTHING - having to do with animal rights to what people suffered in concentration camps is not only patently ridiculous, it's irresponsible. It also made me stop reading you, and essentially negates anything else you may have said, good points or not. It's a well-considered argument that comparisons to Nazi anything utterly discredit the point being made - see Godwin's Law - something I'm certain has been pointed out to you previously on these boards.
So stop, OK? Because not only do you discredit your cause, you turn yourself into something irrational and unreasonable and easily discredited.
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Once again. Red Sun Rising - comparing anything - ANYTHING - having to do with animal rights to what people suffered in concentration camps is not only patently ridiculous, it's irresponsible. It also made me stop reading you, and essentially negates anything else you may have said, good points or not. It's a well-considered argument that comparisons to Nazi anything utterly discredit the point being made - see Godwin's Law - something I'm certain has been pointed out to you previously on these boards.So stop, OK? Because not only do you discredit your cause, you turn yourself into something irrational and unreasonable and easily discredited.
Twixlen, I respectfully decline to submit to your request. You are entitled to your opinion, however, your assessments are inaccurate, although, perfectly indicative of our speciesist and bigoted perspective. These experiences are animal, not exclusively human. Systematic oppression is the comparison, and it is valid.
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Twixlen, I respectfully decline to submit to your request. You are entitled to your opinion, however, your assessments are inaccurate, although, perfectly indicative of our speciesist and bigoted perspective. These experiences are animal, not exclusively human.And now, inferring that I'm a bigot, we're all done. Your words hold no meaning. Good luck and good riddance.
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And now, inferring that I'm a bigot, we're all done. Your words hold no meaning. Good luck and good riddance.Too bad your ego/superiority complex obscures reality. Speciesism is woven from the same thread of bigotry as racism, sexism,and homophobia. It would just be easier to actually be consistent and live peacefully than blow a gasket out of spite. You can try to deflect the issue at hand, that is certainly an approach you can take, it is hardly functional....while we are giving each other advice, perhaps it would be more productive to consider why you have such a visceral response to what I say. I didn't infer you were a bigot, I stated that was a bigoted perspective. You can decide to change that perspective at anytime and a lot of good will come from doing it. People are transforming themselves for the better everyday.
http://www.vrg.org/blog/2011/12/05/how-many-adults-are-vegan-in-the-u-s/
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RSR, is there anything about this story that would merit your senior thesis on it, or will you use even the most base excuse to jump into your sermon? Because it's as simple as this- crazy person does something crazy on the internet. Every area of interest has its fringe fanatics. end of story. it just happens that her particular brand of crazy involves eating meat. I think you and your cause would be best served to distance yourself from this whole mess instead of trying to launch from here. this is about mental illness much more than it's about veganism.
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RSR, is there anything about this story that would merit your senior thesis on it, or will you use even the most base excuse to jump into your sermon? Because it's as simple as this- crazy person does something crazy on the internet. Every area of interest has its fringe fanatics. end of story. it just happens that her particular brand of crazy involves eating meat. I think you and your cause would be best served to distance yourself from this whole mess instead of trying to launch from here. this is about mental illness much more than it's about veganism.It is a relevant demonstration of how people, upon witnessing the extreme violence and injustices towards individuals on the weaker end of power situation, are compelled to reciprocate that injustice on those what participate in that system of violence with the same indifference. It is relevant to how becoming aware of that system of violence, and given its magnitude, the sense of desperation and impotence to prevent such horrendous acts can drive people insane who are passionate about justice and view retaliation for a legally insane and unjust behavior as a logical response.
Society would be better suited to addressing the injustice, instead of staving off the results of it. When we cease to sanction violence as an acceptable form of behavior, we will heal the festering wounds that plague us.
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Red Sun Rising said:
It is a relevant demonstration of how people, upon witnessing the extreme violence and injustices towards individuals on the weaker end of power situation, are compelled to reciprocate that injustice on those what participate in that system of violence with the same indifference. It is relevant to how becoming aware of that system of violence, and given its magnitude, the sense of desperation and impotence to prevent such horrendous acts can drive people insane who are passionate about justice and view retaliation for a legally insane and unjust behavior as a logical response.Society would be better suited to addressing the injustice, instead of staving off the results of it. When we cease to sanction violence as an acceptable form of behavior, we will heal the festering wounds that plague us.
@ RSR: your analysis raises some likely useful points about the dynamics of oppression and attempts at undoing it. This makes me wonder about the extent to which you are posting to sites other than CU.
Your ideas above might be put to better use on sites where the users are more focused on trying to grapple with how to proceed as a movement for better fairness, justice, and compassion ( or as I would distill it : 'spiritual' love).
There is a huge need for activists--whether vegan or obliviovore--to come to terms with the details of how to proceed. There is far too much group-think in the activist gatherings I've been a part of. So, your analysis is much needed there.
As for CU not exactly being the best place for seeking to engage with other activists, it doesn't make most CU folk bad people. It's just that activism tends to not be their passion. They do other valuable things for society, it's at least fair to assume.
To compare notes, I use CU as part of my imperfect attempt at getting beyond the echo-chamber that social media can sometimes lead to. Engaging with folk who don't agree with us is vital to the health of our political system. Thanks Walker, Anne, and everybody else---even you Snarf---who helps to build this community resource.
But, I've found things work best for me when I use CU as one of many nodes in a peer-to-peer media network. I tend to stumble when I focus too much on any one outlet--be it Columbus Free Press, WCRS, Op Ed News, or CU---not to mention when I forget there is no substitute for in-person interaction.
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Red Sun Rising said:
It is a relevant demonstration of how people, upon witnessing the extreme violence and injustices towards individuals on the weaker end of power situation, are compelled to reciprocate that injustice on those what participate in that system of violence with the same indifference. It is relevant to how becoming aware of that system of violence, and given its magnitude, the sense of desperation and impotence to prevent such horrendous acts can drive people insane who are passionate about justice and view retaliation for a legally insane and unjust behavior as a logical response.Society would be better suited to addressing the injustice, instead of staving off the results of it. When we cease to sanction violence as an acceptable form of behavior, we will heal the festering wounds that plague us.
So, when anti-abortion activists murder abortion providing doctors we'd be better served by banning abortion?
Substitute causes... does that logic still hold?
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Red Sun Rising said:
Too bad your ego/superiority complex obscures reality. Speciesism is woven from the same thread of bigotry as racism, sexism,and homophobia. It would just be easier to actually be consistent and live peacefully than blow a gasket out of spite. You can try to deflect the issue at hand, that is certainly an approach you can take, it is hardly functional....while we are giving each other advice, perhaps it would be more productive to consider why you have such a visceral response to what I say. I didn't infer you were a bigot, I stated that was a bigoted perspective. You can decide to change that perspective at anytime and a lot of good will come from doing it. People are transforming themselves for the better everyday.http://www.vrg.org/blog/2011/12/05/how-many-adults-are-vegan-in-the-u-s/
Would-be conservative infiltrators can’t penetrate lefty activist circles. They always blow their cover at the door as their tongues get too tied up to say the pass code: a list of isms---1,917 of them in all --- that stand in the way of our paradise.
But seriously, I now suspect I engage in alienating, time-consuming, creativity-draining arguments on these threads to the extent I’m neglecting to follow my conscience which calls for: one, engaging in non-violent civil resistance; and two, helping to create alternatives to oppressive systems. Help me RSR achieve the escape velocity to break away from the fear involved with the former.
Maybe if I do that, my compulsion to get others to believe as I do will go away. Amid the cyber drama I’ve been a part of on these threads, I had suspected this , though I couldn’t quite put my finger on it until now, as I once again see you, RSR--- someone who inspires me---going for yet another pass thru the CU gauntlet.
I’m comparing notes. Use what I say here as you will. And BTW, the many ism derived from sociology can be valuable conceptual tools, so long as we don’t hide behind our jargon.
We should be able to use our adult capacity for intense abstraction yet be adroit enough to set our conceptions aside to experience the world with less filters, letting in the wonder and awe as we perhaps did during the best moments of childhood. We felt that wonder long, and love, before we learned how to reason with any degree of sophistication. We may feel it still as our rational faculties fade in old age.
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