mightymighty
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I'm listening to the tv news before work (channel 4) , and I saw a commercial for the http://www.creationmuseum.org/
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Could someone please make a huge financial donation to COSI to offset this madness!?
kthnx!
btw, if you want to see the museum without shelling out 20 bucks and the gas for drive, check this out, it will be like you're there, but yet not.
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Yep, gotta hate those silly morons who make up half the population...
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm
Personally, I certainly can't write off intelligent design 100%...
joev
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A museum that shows dinosaurs and people living side-by-side a la the Flintstones definitely deserves a skeptical eye.
If you like the creation museum, you'll love the giant horseshoe crab (the world's largest) at a church in Blanchester. Since modern horseshoe crabs look just like fossil horseshoe crabs, then evolution must not exist.
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And again, something that millions of people believe in deserves it's own museum regardless of my own shared opinion.
Granted, it's easy to see all people who believe in creationism as shoeless West Virginians with a 3rd grade education who spend their spare time diddling their sisters...but that's not the case.
I know though, we're all smart elitists and they're all pinhead fundamentals.
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I'm by no means saying that I'm better than people who believe in creationism. They have their beliefs and I have mine. I will never attend that museum, and surely, there are people who will never attend a natural history museum. I draw the line only when that debate spills over into education. I believe no child is served well by schools endorsing creationism, and I believe schools have to be very careful when talking about intelligent design.
The basis of science is the scientific method. You muddle the learning process if you exclude evolution from scrutiny under the lens of science. Religion is an expression of faith. Faith has no place in science, and that's good for both. Creationist parents who want to eliminate evolution from school curricula are like the parents who keep their kids out of sex-ed in middle school, thinking that having faith means keeping information from kids.
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joev wrote I'm by no means saying that I'm better than people who believe in creationism. They have their beliefs and I have mine. I will never attend that museum, and surely, there are people who will never attend a natural history museum. I draw the line only when that debate spills over into education. I believe no child is served well by schools endorsing creationism, and I believe schools have to be very careful when talking about intelligent design.The basis of science is the scientific method. You muddle the learning process if you exclude evolution from scrutiny under the lens of science. Religion is an expression of faith. Faith has no place in science, and that's good for both. Creationist parents who want to eliminate evolution from school curricula are like the parents who keep their kids out of sex-ed in middle school, thinking that having faith means keeping information from kids.
At best, I'd argue they should be taught side by side based on the numbers of believers in each. I do think, however, the best solution is to have evolution and MAYBE intelligent design taught in mainstream schools with creationism saved for the appropriate parochial schools.
Either way, having a museum representing a belief shared by millions hardly enters the education system in a way that could have a negative impact as you're discussing.
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Coremodels wrote Granted, it's easy to see all people who believe in creationism as shoeless West Virginians with a 3rd grade education who spend their spare time diddling their sisters...but that's not the case.
Of course not, but that doesn't make them any more correct than the church officials who wouldn't look through Galileo's telescope or defended the Ptolemaic cosmology or those who refused to wash their hands before surgery in the face of Semmelweiss.
Willful ignorance is just as appalling regardless of what garb it wears or whose relatives it diddles.
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joev
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Coremodels wroteEither way, having a museum representing a belief shared by millions hardly enters the education system in a way that could have a negative impact as you're discussing.
The number of homeschooled kids higher than ever. And while some of them are being taugh actual science, most are out of the public system so their parents can "protect" them from evolution. That and religious schools are what this museum is banking its future on. Wouldn't everyone be better off if schools just taught science and everyone had to listen to it and decide for themselves what to think?
And to counter your other point, millions of Saudi Arabians think women aren't equal to men, based on their interpretation of their faith. Does the number of believers make the belief valid?
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Andrew Hall wroteCoremodels wrote Granted, it's easy to see all people who believe in creationism as shoeless West Virginians with a 3rd grade education who spend their spare time diddling their sisters...but that's not the case.
Of course not, but that doesn't make them any more correct than the church officials who wouldn't look through Galileo's telescope or defended the Ptolemaic cosmology or those who refused to wash their hands before surgery in the face of Semmelweiss.
Willful ignorance is just as appalling regardless of what garb it wears or whose relatives it diddles.
A.
Last I checked, these people built a museum...didn't endanger public health or threaten to execute astronomers.
They have a faith that goes beyond widely accepted "reason" or "science"...much like the entire resurrection and shared premises of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism.
Now, granted, those 4.5 billion people could be dead wrong...and I may even believe they are...but it certainly doesn't make me "smarter" to not accept that sometimes faith flies in the face of logic or science.
Sorry, but I'm hesitant to wholly dismiss that because I disagree.
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joev wrote And to counter your other point, millions of Saudi Arabian women think women aren't equal to men, based on their interpretation of their faith. Does the number of believers make the belief valid?
Fixed that for you.
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i would go really drunk and make a scene.... i think that would be funny.
Mercurius
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Coremodels wrote Granted, it's easy to see all people who believe in creationism as shoeless West Virginians with a 3rd grade education who spend their spare time diddling their sisters...but that's not the case.I believe it is in Kentucky. So that would be shoeless Kentuckians and Huckabee (Doesn't believe in evolution) that we see swimming in the same gene pool.
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Coremodels wrotejoev wrote And to counter your other point, millions of Saudi Arabian women think women aren't equal to men, based on their interpretation of their faith. Does the number of believers make the belief valid?Fixed that for you.
Regardless, do you think the case is valid? Are there moral or scientific absolutes, or is everything relative? Just because a lot of people believe in creationism doesn't make it right or good.
Here are the implications of believing in young earth creationism (which this museum espouses), and tell me if any of them, beside faith for faith's sake, is good:
If you believe God created the world several thousand years ago, you narrow your perspective. Animals go extinct and ecosystems change because of God. Not man's actions.
The organization that runs the museum (Answers in Genesis) asks its member to avow that the Bible is inerrant. If people look to the Bible as the source of ALL knowledge (not just religious) then many will become intellectually lazy.
The museum distorts natural history and uses pseudoscience to persuade people its core belief is scientifically proven. It has a diorama showing dinosaurs in the Garden of Eden. Now, I like dinosaurs as much as the next person, but when something purporting itself as a museum has a display like this, are many visitors going to be fooled into believe it's true? Kids (and some adults, probably) see something in a museum and they'll believe it's true.
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Coremodels wroteAndrew Hall wroteCoremodels wrote Granted, it's easy to see all people who believe in creationism as shoeless West Virginians with a 3rd grade education who spend their spare time diddling their sisters...but that's not the case.
Of course not, but that doesn't make them any more correct than the church officials who wouldn't look through Galileo's telescope or defended the Ptolemaic cosmology or those who refused to wash their hands before surgery in the face of Semmelweiss.
Willful ignorance is just as appalling regardless of what garb it wears or whose relatives it diddles.
A.
Last I checked, these people built a museum...didn't endanger public health or threaten to execute astronomers.
They have a faith that goes beyond widely accepted "reason" or "science"...much like the entire resurrection and shared premises of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism.
Now, granted, those 4.5 billion people could be dead wrong...and I may even believe they are...but it certainly doesn't make me "smarter" to not accept that sometimes faith flies in the face of logic or science.
Sorry, but I'm hesitant to wholly dismiss that because I disagree.
That's funny because one of the intelligent design faithful thought people with aids should be quarrantined... That makes me question both their intelligence and their designs.
If they want to teach intelligent design, teach it in church or in a class on religions and cover the other faith's creation stories. Do not teach it in science class, because nothing about it is equivalent to teaching evolution. But, as you always see, the "faithful" don't want to teach it as faith, they want to supplant a tested and proven scientific theory with a re-packaged religious faith based on no science at all. :roll:
As they say, you can put lipstick on a pig...
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myliftkk wroteThat's funny because one of the intelligent design faithful thought people with aids should be quarrantined... That makes me question both their intelligence and their designs.
And an atheist carried this sign in public...guess what, there's morons on both sides
myliftkk wrote If they want to teach intelligent design, teach it in church or in a class on religions and cover the other faith's creation stories. Do not teach it in science class, because nothing about it is equivalent to teaching evolution. But, as you always see, the "faithful" don't want to teach it as faith, they want to supplant a tested and proven scientific theory with a re-packaged religious faith based on no science at all. :roll:As they say, you can put lipstick on a pig...
As to there being any scientific proof behind intelligent design, I would disagree.
http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/EvolutionPolls.pdf So would congress and a majority of scientists.
Here's an article from Natural History Magazine
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/nhmag.html
The fact is, there is congruity between pure science and intelligent design as an alternative teaching approach in conjunction with pure evolution.
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Coremodels wroteLast I checked, these people built a museum...didn't endanger public health or threaten to execute astronomers.
Interesting. I guess evolution or lack thereof has no implication for immunology.
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Andrew Hall wroteCoremodels wroteLast I checked, these people built a museum...didn't endanger public health or threaten to execute astronomers.
Interesting. I guess evolution or lack thereof has no implication for immunology.
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no...building a museum that's optional to attend for people who happen to believe in creationism has no implication for immunology.
Unless you believe busloads of guntoting fundamental Christians plan to load up busses filled with the future immunologists of the world and force them to attend...
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p.s. The Bruce Lee Kung Fu museum here in Columbus has yet to make me fight Kareem Abdul Jabbar in hand to hand combat.
amazing, huh?
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