jackoh
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I've spent time at Mid Ohio and didn't think it was that loud when in the adjacent campground or parking areas.So would you be agreeable to locating this racing facility in the arena district parcel now vacated by the west side casino?
Yes, I would.
I have to (genuinely) applaud you!
CDS sherman
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i bet you could build it in the AD. would it revert vic vill back into the "ghetto"? i seriously doubt it. but if you built it in the "ghetto" will it improve it? i seriously doubt it.... im just saying. you know boots never came on by to interview me or any of the other residents who stay down here in east franklinton?` riverside bradley has like what maybe 300 residents. again im just saying.
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"It would be nearly impossible to truly know how much noise this track would really make until it's built."
and that is exactly why people are concerned.I understand that. My point is that many of the concerned people, especially people from miles away, like GV, aren't basing their fears off of experience. If they were, they'd probably realize that most racetracks don't have sound barriers, yet they're still hardly audible from less than one mile away. Again, I'm basing this off of a lot of experience, not studies. However, my ears know what they hear and these tracks aren't designed minimize sound and are in areas with virtually no noise pollution to compete with (off the highway in fields and valleys). You can usually even have a cell phone conversation behind the grandstands b/c it's dampened quite a bit by the wall, seats and people. I would have to think that soundproofing the walls and building the track specifically to keep sound in check would do wonders.
I understand why people are concerned and afraid, but if you go to some local racetracks that AREN'T soundproofed, and go just a few hundred yards away, I think you'll see what I'm saying. It's simply not that loud.
I'm also still curious about what CDS Sherman means by "stigma".
you are clearly trying to work a classism angle. this makes me wonder about your legitimacy and your motivation. if your argument is valid, why can't you stick to a point?
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Roland wrote >>
I've spent time at Mid Ohio and didn't think it was that loud when in the adjacent campground or parking areas.
Mid-Ohio is built kinda down in the valley while all the camping is up towards top of the hill. There's plenty of natural sound deadening there. That front stretch (the keyhole) at the top of the hill there gets plenty loud.
I think there's a reason most motor speedways are built out in the country and not in the middle of the city. I mean I love the sound of an engine at speed, but not while I'm taking a mid afternoon nap in my hammock, and defiantly not when I'm burying a family member. :-p
jackoh
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i bet you could build it in the AD. would it revert vic vill back into the "ghetto"? i seriously doubt it. but if you built it by the "ghetto" will it improve it? i seriously doubt it.... im just saying.
So if Roland is in agreement that the race track facility works for the AD, can we count on Nationwide and the Dispatch to support this also?
One other question, if you are there, how can that area be considered a "ghetto"? And I ask this question because I have seen your work and it is characteristic of something well beyond what anyone would confuse with the use of the term "ghetto" and also well beyond most of the work that lies in the area to the east and north of where you are.
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CDS sherman wrote >>
i bet you could build it in the AD. would it revert vic vill back into the "ghetto"? i seriously doubt it. but if you built it by the "ghetto" will it improve it? i seriously doubt it.... im just saying.
So if Roland is in agreement that the race track facility works for the AD, can we count on Nationwide and the Dispatch to support this also?
One other question, if you are there, how can that area be considered a "ghetto"? And I ask this question because I have seen your work and it is characteristic of something well beyond what anyone would confuse with the use of the term "ghetto" and also well beyond most of the work that lies in the area to the east and north of where you are.
CDS sherman
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jackoh wrote >>
CDS sherman wrote >>
i bet you could build it in the AD. would it revert vic vill back into the "ghetto"? i seriously doubt it. but if you built it by the
"ghetto" will it improve it? i seriously doubt it.... im just saying.So if Roland is in agreement that the race track facility works for the AD, can we count on Nationwide and the Dispatch to support this also?
One other question, if you are there, how can that area be considered a "ghetto"? And I ask this question because I have seen your work and it is characteristic of something well beyond what anyone would confuse with the use of the term "ghetto" and also well beyond most of the work that lies in the area to the east and north of where you are.
well thank you for the kind words in regards to my work! but no im not in agreement with a track being built in the AD. that would be a terrible idea. i was just trying to make a point. that point being that vic vill which is not the ghetto and bellows and sauder which is not the most desirable part of town in franklinton are two very different areas. would a race track revert vic vill? probably not. would it improve an impoverished residential neighborhood? i dont think so.
to answer your other question, just because im here makes even more of a ghetto trust me...lol im sure they love the rockfords and donuts, wheelies and what nots that mcdowell st has become.
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hey CU folks, here is where the right wing noise machine drags you under. noise noise noise. and you just sit back wondering why they are still talking about casinos at cooper park.....
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and you wonder why other cities don't take Columbus seriously.
BrentN
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and you wonder why other cities don't take Columbus seriously.
The racetrack seems to coming whether or not it is welcome. While some of ROARS arguments are flawed, there are legit concerns here:
1) Grieving families with loved ones buried at the three neighboring cemeteries do not like the idea of a racetrack inches from their burial plots. Nobody I have spoken with that owns a plot in Green Lawn likes the idea at all.
2) Plot owners in Green Lawn are afraid of what a 35' high wall next to their burial plots will look like. Some are afraid of a Berlin Wall type thing filled with obscene graffiti will destroy the aesthetics by their plots.
3) Mt Calvary Cemetery will not get a sound barrier wall like Green Lawn. The noise levels in the cemetery are already too high because of I 70 and I 71. Developers think of Mt Calvary like an abandoned car with a broken window. Hey, one window is already broken, won't hurt if we smash the front windshield as well! If the racetrack comes, Mt Calvary should get a sound barrier wall as well, and if Arshot wanted to be really nice, they could donate funding to erect one of those miracle walls to save Mt Calvary from I 70 noise!
On the Pro Side:
1) Jobs are needed.
2) A racetrack could prevent idiots from trying to obliterate Mt Calvary Cemetery, moving it to put in new freeway systems. Gads, some of those guys have already been moved once from Livingston Park, let them rest in peace!!!
3) A new racetrack would enhance racing in Columbus, owner at Mid Ohio thinks it would add interest to the sport and help him out...
4) Letting the Coop just rot is not a good idea.
I am in favor of a racetrack that would run only after cemetery hours, and that would give the same courtesy to Mount Calvary as Green Lawn.
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here you go. 1000 good paying jobs. Why is Cooper not part of this conversation?
CooperGuy
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BrentN wrote
1) Grieving families with loved ones buried at the three neighboring cemeteries do not like the idea of a racetrack inches from their burial plots. Nobody I have spoken with that owns a plot in Green Lawn likes the idea at all.Actually the legal guy for Arshot, Joe Sugar, on a WOSU radio talk show a few months ago made it clear that his family is buried at Greenlawn and he will be buried there also. We've spoken other with folks that claimed to have family/plot there that didn't mind the idea at all.
Some of these walls can actually be pretty creative and artistic. Although not sound walls, look at the bridge supports along at the I70-75 interchange. They have embossed images representing the air force presence in the area - pretty cool stuff.
bababoohi
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JimSweeney wrote >>
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JimSweeney wrote >>
"It would be nearly impossible to truly know how much noise this track would really make until it's built."
and that is exactly why people are concerned.I understand that. My point is that many of the concerned people, especially people from miles away, like GV, aren't basing their fears off of experience. If they were, they'd probably realize that most racetracks don't have sound barriers, yet they're still hardly audible from less than one mile away. Again, I'm basing this off of a lot of experience, not studies. However, my ears know what they hear and these tracks aren't designed minimize sound and are in areas with virtually no noise pollution to compete with (off the highway in fields and valleys). You can usually even have a cell phone conversation behind the grandstands b/c it's dampened quite a bit by the wall, seats and people. I would have to think that soundproofing the walls and building the track specifically to keep sound in check would do wonders.
I understand why people are concerned and afraid, but if you go to some local racetracks that AREN'T soundproofed, and go just a few hundred yards away, I think you'll see what I'm saying. It's simply not that loud.
I'm also still curious about what CDS Sherman means by "stigma".you are clearly trying to work a classism angle. this makes me wonder about your legitimacy and your motivation. if your argument is valid, why can't you stick to a point?
What? Show me where I used "classism". What point am I not sticking to? I simply mentioned several examples of racetrack noise that I've experienced.
misskitty
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I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing part of me thinks it’s a bad idea but I am not sure what else they could do with this venue and have it stick .
I would be concerned about the noise as I am sure many are. West Broad St. is only .8 miles from Cooper stadium that’s not very far when you think about it,And there are many families and people living between that stretch of land. So if by chance the sound could reach that distance then it sounds like a terrible idea for the area. German village is about 2 miles from the Cooper site.
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bababoohi
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groundrules wrote >>
Roland wrote >>
I've spent time at Mid Ohio and didn't think it was that loud when in the adjacent campground or parking areas.but you sure as hell know from almost anywhere on that property when a grid is about to go.
Just like you can hear a jet flying overhead, or a COTA bus driving by, or the ghetto bird swarming around at night, or the firestation by my house, or the trashtrucks at 7 a.m. If and when you could hear it, I would just look at it as another sound of the city. But that's just me.
I hope I stayed on point here. I wouldn't want to start covering more than one angle and jeopordize my legitimacy and introduce classism again. Not to mention my *gasp* motivations.
joev
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The Cooper Stadium site is awfully close to the new Scioto Audubon park. I'm not saying that birds are more important than jobs, but it's another thing to consider among everything else. Columbus just invested in a great urban park, focused on birdwatching. Do we want a racetrack that close?
Also, the center of German Village is only two miles from Cooper Stadium, across the water, which carries noise much more easily than land.
Snarf
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SusanB wrote >>
bababoohi - I have no idea what racetracks you go to but Mid Ohio is really loud. Standing on pit row when the big block Chevys go by is pretty deafening. You can easily hear them for 1 mile away or further. Turbo cars are quieter, but I'm not sure that the Cooper Stadium track will only run turbos. Anything without a muffler is loud if it doesn't have a turbo on it. I would never want to live near a track- too noisy.
lol, turbo say what?
Twixlen
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I'm trying to remember how loud the Nashville Motor Speedway is. When I was a wee kid, we used to go to Nascar races there. That Speedway/Fairgrounds is located in an area much like Franklinton - mixed commercial, with pockets of houses tucked in all around. I would actually say that Cooper Stadium has more of a land barrier around it, with the cemetaries and highway right there than in Nashville.
Anyway - what I remember is that it was PAINFULLY loud inside the stands, but that as soon as we cleared them, and got to the midway, the racing was a drone in the background.
It would be interesting to see what it's like now, as I believe they are racing similar style cars as what is proposed @ Cooper.
I think sinking the track makes a huge difference - and I think the walls could be much better looking than a weedy parking lot or run-down building. I have no idea what the plan is, but I'm envisioning something like the sound barriers that run down 71S, before 270 - the ones that are sculpted with trees and such.
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