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Started 3 years ago by columbusyuppie
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columbusyuppie
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Maybe this speed race track will come to fruition w OSU, Columbus State n Jeff Gordon involved?

check out the link

http://www2.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/local/article/osu_columbus_state_could_touch_cooper_stadium_race_track/33226/

More here: http://www.columbusunderground.com/jeff-gordon-wants-race-track-at-cooper-stadium

Posted 3 years ago #
CDS sherman
East Franklinton
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wow i didn't realize there were mountains 15 miles south of Columbus. the renderings make it look like Colorado. funny

Posted 3 years ago #
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
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Not to mention the giant forest. ;)

Anyway, interesting to see OSU & CSCC possibly involved. This project is sounding more and more like a reality at this point. Just praying that they address the noise as much as possible.

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pylnrcr

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Another, more thorough report on the same topic.

http://columbus.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2010/03/08/daily17.html?ed=2010-03-10&ana=e_du_pub

Posted 3 years ago #
Tenzo
Chicago Lakeshore
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Walker wrote >>
Not to mention the giant forest. ;)
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I think that forest will go a long way to absorbing the noise of the racetrack. In the rendering there are no homes within a mile of the track. I think once they clear out the homes and businesses their won't be any complaints on noise.

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scornflakes

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If the intent is to build a facility where groundbreaking automotive research and development is done and, as such, it has a necessary test-track that can now and then be used for racing, then get it started as soon as possible. But, if this is yet another large sports and entertainment venue from yet another myopic developer who is making yet another promise to bring truckloads of tourism revenue to Columbus--oh, and then there happens be a few automotive classes there--then forget it. This city and region needs to seize upon the scientific research and technological development resources we have and stop underwriting developers' vanity sports and entertainment projects.

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groundrules

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Look, let's cut to the chase: does anyone know for sure if this new racetrack is planning on having Dime-a-dog night?

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Tenzo
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Hi All.
As most of you know by now I am heavily involved in the battle against turning Cooper Stadium into a motrosports complex. Like so many downtown residents I live a mile and a half from Cooper Stadium. If you don't know what's going on please go to our website http://www.ROARColumbus.org to get informed.

Today, Thursday March 11th, at 9 AM the three County Commissioners are listening to arguments from the developer, Bill Schottenstein, who is asking for a 3rd extension on his purchase contract with the county. As of last night we learned two of the three Commissioners are planning to vote yes. WE NEED YOUR HELP NOW! The vote will take place on March 16th. We would like to flood them with emails and phone calls.

I'm asking, no begging, you to please:
1. Pass this email on to all of your friends, co-workers, family, neighbors and ask them to email or call the 3 Commissioners.
2. Email and/or call the 3 County Commissioners and let them know you do not want them to grant another extension and would like to have the bidding opened up for other alternatives that would be more beneficial to the entire dowtown and Columbus.

Here are all the contact info for each of them and below are some talking points if you need them. It's time to make some NOISE.
Commissioner John O'Grady
Executive Assistant: Sharon Keels
Tel: 614-462-5589
Fax: 614-462-5999
E-mail: skkeels@FranklinCountyOhio.gov

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pylnrcr

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wow... ROAR members continuing to promote the substantial miss-information included within the ROAR web site, even though the correct information is now public knowledge. For the other side of the story go here: Cooper Park Complex

Instead of begging for support, I'll ask that you take the time to review the information contained within both sites, and consider the facts of the matter, not just opinion based on incorrect assumptions.

Many folks are beginning to figure out which side is promoting an honest, accurate, and responsible evaluation of the proposal, and which one isn't.

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CDS sherman
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pylnrcr wrote >>
wow... ROAR members continuing to promote the substantial miss-information included within the ROAR web site, even though the correct information is now public knowledge. For the other side of the story go here: Cooper Park Complex
Instead of begging for support, I'll ask that you take the time to review the information contained within both sites, and consider the facts of the matter, not just opinion based on incorrect assumptions.
Many folks are beginning to figure out which side is promoting an honest, accurate, and responsible evaluation of the proposal, and which one isn't.

bill? is that you?

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CDS sherman
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its all science buddy, there's nothing to worry about. right? whats this correct information you speak of? and what makes you believe that ROARs is incorrect? can you at least explain your reasoning?

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CDS sherman
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What if the noise levels from the track turn out to be higher than 65 dBA?

Since 65 dBA is the limit for noise levels pursuant to city ordinance, municipal authorities would retain the right to shut down any events that exceed the 65 dBA level.

In that case, if the noise were to exceed 65 dBA and races were halted by the authorities, wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t the developers effectively lose their investment in the Complex?

Yes. If the noise limits exceed statutory levels and races are therefore halted, the developers would effectively lose most of their $30-40 million investment in the facility. For this reason, among others, the developers have taken extreme care and every available precaution to ensure that noise levels will not exceed 65 dBA.

you best believe, sound meters in hand we will be waiting......... bwahaahaaahaaahaa!!!!

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pylnrcr

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I believe both studies are scientific and probably accurate given the parameters that they were calculated from. Problem is however, the ROAR study is based off of very incorrect assumptions as to the types of racing, and doesn't account for any sound abatement measures which make the results null and void. Bad information in means bad information out. Pretty simple stuff right there. The Arshot study is based off of known information as to the type of racing and the extensive noise control measures to arrive at its results. Known information in = known information out. That makes all the difference in the world.

ROAR folks received this information from Arshot months ago and while some claim that they no longer continue to talk directly about the original claims, they still continue to refer folks to the ROAR site, which is loaded with the original exaggerated statements and claims.

But, thinking about it, why would a "scientific" sound consultant use noise parameters from types of racing that are not even physically possible at the Cooper site - e.g drag racing and NASCAR on 2 1/2 mile super speedways? Arshot couldn't build anything like that even if they wanted to. If the ROAR noise consultants were very scientific, or maybe a better word is factual, about their study, you would think that they would have thought that through, ehh?

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CDS sherman
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word on the street is the sound wall was slipped in after roar completed their study. sounds convenient.

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pylnrcr

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CDS sherman wrote >>
What if the noise levels from the track turn out to be higher than 65 dBA?
Since 65 dBA is the limit for noise levels pursuant to city ordinance, municipal authorities would retain the right to shut down any events that exceed the 65 dBA level.
In that case, if the noise were to exceed 65 dBA and races were halted by the authorities, wouldnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t the developers effectively lose their investment in the Complex?
Yes. If the noise limits exceed statutory levels and races are therefore halted, the developers would effectively lose most of their $30-40 million investment in the facility. For this reason, among others, the developers have taken extreme care and every available precaution to ensure that noise levels will not exceed 65 dBA.
you best believe, sound meters in hand we will be waiting......... bwahaahaaahaaahaa!!!!

You are absolutely 100% correct about that. Authorities can shut them down if the noise limits are violated. Arshot stands to lose a boat load of money if they don't meet the city code. (BTW - that 65dBA drops to 60 at 10pm) That's probably why they hired the top noise consultant company that was recommended by a group of civic committees, plan to spend a cool $5 million plus on a high tech sound wall, drop the grade of the track 7 to 10 feet, plus maintain they're own sound measuring devises as part of the noise counter measures. They want to do this without negatively effecting the community, and it only make sense, without hurting they're own wallet.

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JimSweeney
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look man, if this thing is as loud as other tracks of it's type that's a big goddamn problem for the neighborhood. property values are already seriously depressed. we don't need them to go backward.
you're obviously very up on this issue so maybe you can answer this: what if the wall doesn't work right, or the operator decides to run a different (louder) car than Arshot is promising, or they just say fuck those poor people we're gonna make a ton of noise because we feel like it, who exactly is going to shut them down? and how long will it take? i don't mean little or even big fines i mean shut down.

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pylnrcr

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I'm only up on what's going on because I've taken the time to research the information that's public knowledge - from both sides - it's all out there if folks take the time to look. I am a motorsports enthusiast, but have never been to a NASCAR race and really don't care to go to one. It's the other attributes of this proposal that got me interested.

The track portion can't be as loud as other tracks of its type, because there are no other tracks like the one Arshot is proposing. I'll buy a round of coffee if anyone can find a 1/2 mile track that's enclosed with 35'sound absorbing walls. Sound walls have been around for a while along freeways and airports, but this really is the first time that a developer has committed to encasing a racing track, and spending the amount of dollars necessary to make it a community friendly project that doesn't hurt, but helps the local community. Remember also, the track isn't the primary function of the complex. It needs to be there to support the other functions and make the whole project financially feasible, but it is secondary to the primary purpose of the rest of the complex.

Arshot isn't some hoedink, fly-by-night developer that just wants to screw Columbus. They're a local firm with very strong Central Ohio presence and an established history of building some pretty impressive structures around here. They have investments and property located in some of the very areas that opponents claim will be devalued - do you really believe they would risk destroying the value of their own investments? They didn't get where they're at by being stupid.

If the racing noise violates the ordinance I imagine it would be up to the city as to what the penalties are and how it's handled - I would also think that Columbus would owe it to its citizens to take appropriate action. The risk really is Arshots - and since they've made it public that they would expect to be shut down if the ordinance is violated, apparently they've accepted that fact.

The people of Franklinton and the Southwest lost their ballpark - an empty and deteriorating stadium is not going to help recover property values. This project has a real chance to bring some substantial economic benefits directly to the those communities, as well as Central Ohio. It would be a real shame to rob those folks of this opportunity.

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JimSweeney
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Thanks for all of that.

I ask again, who will shut them down and how long would it take? perhaps some more research eh?

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bub2010

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I live in the Franklinton general area and I think this is a great opportunity for Columbus. Between the Rich street bridge project, the Casino, and the Cooper Complex the West side is going to be a happening place again within the next couple of years! I am not worried about the noise at all since noise levels in the area already louder than a walled in track would be. Nobody would spend that much if they knew it was going to be a bust. Even if for some reason the project was started, built, made a reality and failed it costs the citizens of Columbus NOTHING since it is NOT a tax funded operation. If anything it could SERIOUSLY improve our property values and help the area. I have some grandparents that lived in an area where hotels, fast food restaurants and offices have built up all around an area that used to be basically worthless property. Now they have had offers in excess of a million bucks for their 2 acre lot... and the offers go up every year. If the Cooper complex were to take off it could mean great increases in property value and if for some reason it were to fail... well... I guess then maybe nothing changes. I'm just saying it costs us nothing to give it a shot. Many inventors of the past I'm sure have said... hey.. I wonder what would happen if I do this... and then had an amazing invention or idea that may have become invaluable for society. There are too many examples to even think of.

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JimSweeney wrote <a
Thanks for all of that.
I ask again, who will shut them down and how long would it take? perhaps some more research eh?

JimSweeney
I don't think it is fair to be against a development because of the fear that the elected city representatives, and their offices probably partially are incapable to do their job but even in the best case scenario they are massively behind that what is going on on the streets. If this problem exists, it needs to be fixed in that level.

I sincerely hope that the goal is not to limit our city's opportunities to match the efficiency and speed of government offices otherwise we will end up with more parks. That won't cause headaches for sure.

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