RSS
Twitter
Facebook
YouTube
With the few highrise (over 20 stories) condo/apt buildings downtown almost totaly filled I think downtown could use a tower bewteen 30-50 stories. It would be a first for Columbus and the state of Ohio..the tallest residental building in the state is the Miranova so something along the lines of that built in the central business district could draw people looking for a new experience in high rise living.
Columbus Underground Messageboard » General Columbus Discussion
Moody Nolan Imagines New Office Tower for Columbus Bicentennial Magazine
[63 posts] [23 contributors]
Topic Rating:
(Total Ratings: )
Rate this topic:
Rate this topic:
-
Stephen43215
Downtown
Login to Send PM
Posted 1 year ago # -
jbcmh81
Login to Send PM
rus said:
Just speculating, but think you're answering your own question there.From another perspective, Cleveland has all those things and isn't a place where people want to live ( based on "shrinking in population for 60 years" ).
Perhaps what people want isn't "urban" but "jobs", as in economic growth. Amenities may be nice, but won't keep people in place, won't draw people, and aren't really seen as necessary.
Similarly, economic growth can draw people even when severely lacking in basic services not just amenities, such as in Oklahoma.
I disagree. Increasing amenities like adding the new parks Downtown is exactly what is drawing people and new businesses in. I would think an increase in businesses along with construction projects do, in fact, provide jobs. Hence, economic growth. Not sure why they have to be exclusive of one another. Also, the idea that things like density and smart planning aren't that important contradicts all the evidence we've seen. Cities before highways were all built densely, but people began to believe that they could have both vibrant cities and live 25 miles away in a sprawling suburb. Has that model really worked all that well for economic growth or city health?
And the funny thing about Cleveland is that most of what they have arrived in a time when they were at the peak of their population, but they've been able to maintain, if not expand those things, even during many decades of depopulation. Their overall problems run deep, from corruption to crime to blight, so I don't think you can say that people moved away despite having these positives. There were just far more negatives that countered them. Columbus is not Cleveland in that we don't have nearly those kinds of negative issues. Our economy is the best in the state and our metro unemployment rate is one of the lowest in the country. We have continuously growing population. So how is a healthy city with a growing population base lacking in all the things that much smaller cities that have severe social and economic problems have? Is this just a matter of we have not gotten to that point yet but will eventually? I hope so.
Posted 1 year ago # -
jbcmh81
Login to Send PM
Walker said:
I agree that there are probably larger trends at work where we as a society settle for what's easy without demanding better. That works across a broad variety of topics, and isn't exclusive to Columbus.What I'm saying is that when you're talking to someone one-on-one, and they happen to disagree with you, it's condescending to write their opinion off as some part of a larger failing mentality rather than addressing their individual opinion.
I guess I don't understand your point. If you agree that there are larger trends involved in the way people think, wouldn't that larger trend be made up of individuals who tow the line? If someone states pretty much word for word exactly what I was talking about being a problem, is it really condescending to point it out? In the GY thread, it was stated that "the design is better than just a bunch of warehouses". Do you disagree that that is not settling for mediocre development? Honestly, do you think that this kind of thinking is good for Columbus' urban development future, as an urban enthusiast yourself?
Posted 1 year ago # -
rus
Login to Send PM
jbcmh81 said:
So how is a healthy city with a growing population base lacking in all the things that much smaller cities that have severe social and economic problems have? Is this just a matter of we have not gotten to that point yet but will eventually? I hope so.Could be. Could also be that such amenities just aren't valued by Columbus as a whole.
Even if you're right, that in Cleveland other negatives outweighed what you see as positives, that would indicate there are more important factors that publicly funded art, transit, etc. too the success of a city.
Posted 1 year ago # -
CbusIslander
Cbus Islander
Login to Send PM
jbcmh81 said:
And the funny thing about Cleveland is that most of what they have arrived in a time when they were at the peak of their population, but they've been able to maintain, if not expand those things, even during many decades of depopulation.The reason Cleveland has been able to maintain those institutions is because of the "old" money from their peak population. They have (had) large endowments from the era over decades of investments. Their coffers have slowly depleted since then. The art meseums expansions had to tap into their art endowment to finance the construction. Without that "old" money Cleveland's performing and art instutions would be in a dire situation.
Columbus hasn't had the time / money / and historic large population to bring their art institutions to the next level yet. Compare the three C's in fifty years and I bet they will be on much even footing by then.
Posted 1 year ago # -
jbcmh81
Login to Send PM
rus said:
Could be. Could also be that such amenities just aren't valued by Columbus as a whole.Even if you're right, that in Cleveland other negatives outweighed what you see as positives, that would indicate there are more important factors that publicly funded art, transit, etc. too the success of a city.
Not necessarily. It's equally possible that those Cleveland amenities helped prevent an even steeper decline. And besides, all the recent news out of the city suggests that it is finally seeing some urban revitalization going on. I would imagine that those amenities, even if they had not been seen as important factors previously, will no doubt help the city come back as more people move into the downtown core.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
Login to Send PM
jbcmh81 said:
I guess I don't understand your point. If you agree that there are larger trends involved in the way people think, wouldn't that larger trend be made up of individuals who tow the line?Yes, but I believe that different individuals arrived at their individual opinions due to various reasons, especially when discussing an issue as broad and complex as "urban development". While the larger trends may be accurate, I think it's unfair to dismiss someone in a one-on-one conversation by citing a trend and treating them as if they're a mere statistic on the opposite side of your correct opinion.
i agree with you that the best use for this site is something that we should collectively hold to a higher standard... but I think your tactic of dismissing other viewpoints as some sort of failed societal issue does nothing to sway anyone to your side of the argument.
jbcmh81 said:
If someone states pretty much word for word exactly what I was talking about being a problem, is it really condescending to point it out?Yes, because:
1. You're telling an individual that their opinion is wrong.
2. You're telling an individual that their opinion is not their own, but formed by some sort of incorrect societal pattern of thinking.
3. Because of #1 and #2, you're implying that an individual's opinion can be dismissed as invalid in the conversation.I find all of that to be condescending.
jbcmh81 said:
In the GY thread, it was stated that "the design is better than just a bunch of warehouses". Do you disagree that that is not settling for mediocre development? Honestly, do you think that this kind of thinking is good for Columbus' urban development future, as an urban enthusiast yourself?I don't think we should settle for mediocrity, and it sounds like we agree on that.
The challenge now is making a persuasive argument to get others to agree with you, rather than dismissing other opinions as being wrong or invalid.
Posted 1 year ago # -
jbcmh81
Login to Send PM
Walker said:
Yes, but I believe that different individuals arrived at their individual opinions due to various reasons, especially when discussing an issue as broad and complex as "urban development". While the larger trends may be accurate, I think it's unfair to dismiss someone in a one-on-one conversation by citing a trend and treating them as if they're a mere statistic on the opposite side of your correct opinion.i agree with you that the best use for this site is something that we should collectively hold to a higher standard... but I think your tactic of dismissing other viewpoints as some sort of failed societal issue does nothing to sway anyone to your side of the argument.
Yes, because:
1. You're telling an individual that their opinion is wrong.
2. You're telling an individual that their opinion is not their own, but formed by some sort of incorrect societal pattern of thinking.
3. Because of #1 and #2, you're implying that an individual's opinion can be dismissed as invalid in the conversation.I find all of that to be condescending.
I don't think we should settle for mediocrity, and it sounds like we agree on that.
The challenge now is making a persuasive argument to get others to agree with you, rather than dismissing other opinions as being wrong or invalid.
I guess I'm just not someone who minces words. I tend to be blunt and state what I think. Many people disagree with both my opinions and how I occasionally execute them, and that's okay with me. I do think all of us, even those I disagree with, are basically on the same page, in that we want a better city, and I respect the right of people to hold different ideas on how to get there.
Posted 1 year ago # -
melikecheese
Merion Village
Login to Send PM
I like the drawings a lot.
I like to pretend it will be done in 25 years and the big neon sign at the top will read "Jeni's"
Posted 1 year ago # -
Pickerington_Kyle
Login to Send PM
I know I'm going to get shot down for this, but I think they should build this Biccentinal tower, I mean Columbus should really have a signature tower to be known for. It should be 1-3 retail 3-20 hotel 21-40 office and 41-70 Condos. And also they should deffinantely build those Franklinton Apartments and Broad Street landscaping.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
Login to Send PM
Pickerington_Kyle said:
I know I'm going to get shot down for this, but I think they should build this Biccentinal tower, I mean Columbus should really have a signature tower to be known for. It should be 1-3 retail 3-20 hotel 21-40 office and 41-70 Condos. And also they should deffinantely build those Franklinton Apartments and Broad Street landscaping.But who's "they"?
Posted 1 year ago # -
jbcmh81
Login to Send PM
Pickerington_Kyle said:
I know I'm going to get shot down for this, but I think they should build this Biccentinal tower, I mean Columbus should really have a signature tower to be known for. It should be 1-3 retail 3-20 hotel 21-40 office and 41-70 Condos. And also they should deffinantely build those Franklinton Apartments and Broad Street landscaping.I'm not opposed to a large tower, but having something that's "signature" may be a lot harder to do. There are few signature buildings. I mean, you can name the Empire State or the Sears Tower and maybe a handful of others, but most cities don't have buildings that are easily recognizable as associated with the city in question. It would have to be either record-breaking or have a design so unique that it would virtually scream Columbus.
Posted 1 year ago # -
rus
Login to Send PM
jbcmh81 said:
I'm not opposed to a large tower, but having something that's "signature" may be a lot harder to do. There are few signature buildings. I mean, you can name the Empire State or the Sears Tower and maybe a handful of others, but most cities don't have buildings that are easily recognizable as associated with the city in question. It would have to be either record-breaking or have a design so unique that it would virtually scream Columbus.70 story 'brushstrokes in flight'? ;-)
Posted 1 year ago # -
Pickerington_Kyle
Login to Send PM
-
Walker
The KLD / Downtown / Gay Street
Login to Send PM
Pickerington_Kyle said:
Moody Nolan? I don't know, but it would be cool for what you say as a "postcard".Moody Nolan would design it, but they wouldn't be the owner. "They" = the company who would pay for it. Without an owner, there's no project.
Postcards are nice, but you can't live inside a postcard.
I don't think it's any coincidence that our best neighborhood is one that is primarily 2-3 stories throughout, and the vast majority of people never go above street level.
Posted 1 year ago # -
futureman
Grandview Heights
Login to Send PM
-
Pickerington_Kyle
Login to Send PM
Walker said:
Moody Nolan would design it, but they wouldn't be the owner. "They" = the company who would pay for it. Without an owner, there's no project.Postcards are nice, but you can't live inside a postcard.
I don't think it's any coincidence that our best neighborhood is one that is primarily 2-3 stories throughout, and the vast majority of people never go above street level.
Well a skyscraper can't be a neighborhood :), and Columbus has many great neighborhoods as is.
Posted 1 year ago #
You must log in to post.
Launched in August 2010, TheMetropreneur.com is a local online resource devoted to small business development and entrepreneurship. Its aim is to tell the stories of Central Ohio's business community, foster regional economic development and assist entrepreneurs with its resource-heavy focus.