JonMyers
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Yeah Rus, healthy is a subjective term.
In terms of the restaurants and people voting with their wallets.
I don't wholly agree with your sentiment. I think there is some delusion in the market and they're aren't as many sensible options as people think. The gut busting piles of food are the norm. It's seriously disturbing that it's the norm.
kit444
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JonMyers said:
There's little common sense in the restaurant culture and for whatever reason most people don't push the plate away when they should.
I think there is a clean plate mentality a lot of people are raised to have. There's shame in not finishing the portion on your plate.
0Angle
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Roland said:
I think the people at Kitchen Little in the North Market have a perfect model for providing slow food for people on the go. Perhaps scale it up a bit for larger crowds and start opening those around town and it would be a hit. I have no question that it could be a success story.The problem is that these kind of operations require not only entrepreneurs but actual chefs that can cook, local food suppliers, talent, etc, and it's a lot easier and more profitable to just own a mechaburger franchise where you can make more money and not need anything more than warm bodies. Path of least resistance.
I'd venture that The Coop fits that sustainable/local/slow food bill. The pedigree has Alana & Kitchen Little written into it. Food Trucks could fill a void in healthy fast food deserts.
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JonMyers said:
Yeah Rus, healthy is a subjective term.In terms of the restaurants and people voting with their wallets.
I don't wholly agree with your sentiment. I think there is some delusion in the market and they're aren't as many sensible options as people think. The gut busting piles of food are the norm. It's seriously disturbing that it's the norm.
I can think of one restaurant I've been to where the portion sizes were deliberately "European" ( read: small ). Fruit cups smaller than espresso cups, for instance. Not bad at all, really, but as you say it's notable for not being gigantic.
Maybe that's more to Roland's point: quantity is cheaper to produce than quality ( also ignoring the subjective nature of "quality" when it comes to taste ).
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kit444 said:
I think there is a clean plate mentality a lot of people are raised to have. There's shame in not finishing the portion on your plate.
There are also some theorized evolutionary components to this as well.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-compass-pleasure/201103/food-pleasure-and-evolution
http://www.nwo.nl/files.nsf/pages/NWOA_6Y9GUL/$file/Why_self_control_results_intro.pdf
JonMyers
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kit444 said:
I think there is a clean plate mentality a lot of people are raised to have. There's shame in not finishing the portion on your plate.
Yeah I totally agree, which makes the portions all the more irresponsible.
I'd add that a lot of people continue eating, thoughtlessly when in groups and end up finishing those monstrous plates.
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Given that this thread became about obesity, this seems as good a place as any for this:
http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/11/11/for-white-girls-a-bigger-penalty-for-being-obese/
Right to the money shot:
So, to summarize today’s news in obesity: white girls are disproportionately punished for obesity; a poor person is not necessarily more likely to be obese than a non-poor person (although the severity may be greater); and you are less likely to be obese if you are more patient.
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On the whole food desert / obesity thing... perhaps the presumed link doesn't exist?
It has become an article of faith among some policy makers and advocates, including Michelle Obama, that poor urban neighborhoods are food deserts, bereft of fresh fruits and vegetables.But two new studies have found something unexpected. Such neighborhoods not only have more fast food restaurants and convenience stores than more affluent ones, but more grocery stores, supermarkets and full-service restaurants, too. And there is no relationship between the type of food being sold in a neighborhood and obesity among its children and adolescents.
Within a couple of miles of almost any urban neighborhood, “you can get basically any type of food,” said Roland Sturm of the RAND Corporation, lead author of one of the studies. “Maybe we should call it a food swamp rather than a desert,” he said.
bucki12
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That is an interesting article and I think it is definitely relevant to some areas coined food deserts such as a Weinland Park. I wonder in that case how much the name tag is related to the funding strategies of certain social service organizations.
The proposed food campus would be located a half mile from the new Short North Kroger.
Walker
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rus' link said:
Within a couple of miles of almost any urban neighborhood...
I think that part of the findings is key. If car ownership is limited in poor neighborhoods, then "a couple of miles" is not always easily accessible. Good public transit routes can help with that. Bikes and walking are a bigger challenge for groceries over the span of a couple miles.
It sounds like these findings consider the distance the same regardless of transportation method. I'd compare 2 miles to get groceries on foot to 50 miles to get groceries in a car.
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bucki12 said:
That is an interesting article and I think it is definitely relevant to some areas coined food deserts such as a Weinland Park. I wonder in that case how much the name tag is related to the funding strategies of certain social service organizations.The proposed food campus would be located a half mile from the new Short North Kroger.
this is absolutely ridiculous.
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Walker said:
I think that part of the findings is key. If car ownership is limited in poor neighborhoods, then "a couple of miles" is not always easily accessible. Good public transit routes can help with that. Bikes and walking are a bigger challenge for groceries over the span of a couple miles.It sounds like these findings consider the distance the same regardless of transportation method. I'd compare 2 miles to get groceries on foot to 50 miles to get groceries in a car.
That's a good point. Schlepping groceries via bike or walking is a total PITA.
From the article, though:
She used census tracts to define neighborhoods because they tend to have economically homogeneous populations. Poor neighborhoods, Dr. Lee found, had nearly twice as many fast food restaurants and convenience stores as wealthier ones, and they had more than three times as many corner stores per square mile. But they also had nearly twice as many supermarkets and large-scale grocers per square mile. Her study, financed by the institute, was published in the March issue of Social Science and Medicine.Dr. Sturm’s study, published in February in The American Journal of Preventive Medicine, had a different design. With financing from the National Institutes of Health, he used data on the self-reported heights, weights, and diets of more than 13,000 California children and teenagers in the California Health Interview Survey. The survey included the students’ addresses and the addresses of their schools. He used a different data set to see what food outlets were nearby. Dr. Sturm found no relationship between what type of food students said they ate, what they weighed, and the type of food within a mile and a half of their homes.
Sturm's study would seem to cover those without access to a car and Lee's study seems to show the effects of density ( more stores of all types available in a given area ).
vestanpance
Harrison West/at work OSU
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Anyone seen the mac and cheese at Wendy's? Or the chili cheese fries?
They had it at the one in Jeffersonville
Mister Shifter
Lewis Center
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No but the Wendy's on Bethel Rd off 315 is a test market for their breakfast, and it obliterates McDonalds. The burritos, breakfast sandwiches, and seasoned potatoes are all awesome.
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I tried the new Charlie's on Henderson today...I must say I prefer the original Charlie's concept better.
Mister Shifter
Lewis Center
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Tried the Wendy's chili cheese fries as an upcharge on my combo meal today. Not too shabby.
:)
Mister Shifter
Lewis Center
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Graybeak
Hunky Town
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So, not as a test market, but I just read about the latest updates to Burger King's menu:
The world's second biggest hamburger chain on Thursday is launching several pork, beef and chicken sandwiches as limited time offers. And for a sweet ending, the company is also offering a bacon sundae - vanilla soft serve with fudge, caramel, bacon crumbles and a piece of bacon - that started in Nashville, Tenn. earlier this year.
I must try at least one.
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