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I have not read this entire thread but by the looks of it when construction is complete you wont be able to see the park from High st. right?
if so... #fail.
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vestanpance
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Posted 3 months ago # -
InnerCore
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vestanpance said:
I have not read this entire thread but by the looks of it when construction is complete you wont be able to see the park from High st. right?if so... #fail.
Not necessarily. High st. already has plenty of intrinsic value. Downtown needs to grow behond High st. Having the park face Rich st. just bolsters the value of that street. Now they just need to figure out some sort of redevelopment plan for the huge parking garage across the street.
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Walker
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vestanpance said:
I have not read this entire thread but by the looks of it when construction is complete you wont be able to see the park from High st. right? if so... #fail.From your car, the park will be hard to see from High Street.
On foot or bike, it will be easy to see through the two archways that connect High Street to the park in between the apartment buildings. Sidewalk access to the park will be the same as it's always been. High Street is at the bottom of this image:
FWIW, you can't easily see Goodale or Schiller Parks from High Street.
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vestanpance
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Walker
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Ha. I'm not an overly snarky guy. ;) Just saying that because you can't see it from your car on one specific street doesn't mean that you're going to forget that it exists. ;) Not that you're saying that yourself, but other people have implied something similar in previous conversations.
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On a related note, it will be fun to see people flooding in and out of the archways after concerts and other events. For guests, it will be one of those "oh cool" things to discover as you're walking along High Street.
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Walker
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Patch said:
I think its funny you won't change your opinion even when people point out your stance is incorrect.Opinions aren't correct or incorrect. They're opinions.
I'm sticking to my opinion that Columbus Commons will still be a fine resource regardless of sight line visibility from High Street, because no one has made a convincing argument otherwise.
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JAL
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Walker said:
Opinions aren't correct or incorrect. They're opinions.I'm sticking to my opinion that Columbus Commons will still be a fine resource regardless of sight line visibility from High Street, because no one has made a convincing argument otherwise.
I agree 100%. I think it will actually be better. Visually I think it will also be so much better viewing the park from the large open entrance from Rich St. With the park closed off on all three sides, I think it will visually draw you through the area with the tables and trees and focus you down to the Pavillion-- basically the way the plan was for the park from the beginning. I can't wait to see the finished product. Not sure why everyone is already tearing down this entire project. Since it is going to happen regardless, I think instead of already hating it, wait until it's actually finished, then you can hate it. But how can you hate the way it looks, when it isn't even up? (from a drawing?) If I remember, there were so many haters about the idea of tearing down the mall and replacing it with a park. Almost 3 years later now-- and where did all those people go?????
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JAL said:
I agree 100%. I think it will actually be better. Visually I think it will also be so much better viewing the park from the large open entrance from Rich St. With the park closed off on all three sides, I think it will visually draw you through the area with the tables and trees and focus you down to the Pavillion-- basically the way the plan was for the park from the beginning. I can't wait to see the finished product. Not sure why everyone is already tearing down this entire project. Since it is going to happen regardless, I think instead of already hating it, wait until it's actually finished, then you can hate it. But how can you hate the way it looks, when it isn't even up? (from a drawing?) If I remember, there were so many haters about the idea of tearing down the mall and replacing it with a park. Almost 3 years later now-- and where did all those people go?????Complainters don't go away, they just change what they complain about. It's easy enough to figure out who's who.
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Patch
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JAL said:
I agree 100%. I think it will actually be better. Visually I think it will also be so much better viewing the park from the large open entrance from Rich St. With the park closed off on all three sides, I think it will visually draw you through the area with the tables and trees and focus you down to the Pavillion-- basically the way the plan was for the park from the beginning. I can't wait to see the finished product. Not sure why everyone is already tearing down this entire project. Since it is going to happen regardless, I think instead of already hating it, wait until it's actually finished, then you can hate it. But how can you hate the way it looks, when it isn't even up? (from a drawing?) If I remember, there were so many haters about the idea of tearing down the mall and replacing it with a park. Almost 3 years later now-- and where did all those people go?????I don’t' recall anyone complaining about tearing down an abandoned mall, and I guess at the end of the day it wasn't really replaced with a park. It was replaced with a semi-boring appartment complex.
I'm taking a wild guess here, but I'm betting you don't have a development background, which is fine. But how do you think that the designs for new developments are reviewed/approved/changed?
Do you think there is just one plan and then you tell the zoning commission/ownership/etc, well, don’t judge it yet! Wait until it is up!
All I'm saying is that this development could have been done better, and it’s a missed opportunity.
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Coremodels
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DavidF said:
There was a ton of bitching about tearing down the old mall. I don't have time now, but maybe later I'll dig up some of the links.Yep, not a ton of it on C/U necessarily, but like 50% of the calls to 610 WTVN were to complain about tearing down City Center for months.
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Patch said:
I don’t' recall anyone complaining about tearing down an abandoned mall, and I guess at the end of the day it wasn't really replaced with a park. It was replaced with a semi-boring appartment complex.I'm taking a wild guess here, but I'm betting you don't have a development background, which is fine. But how do you think that the designs for new developments are reviewed/approved/changed?
Do you think there is just one plan and then you tell the zoning commission/ownership/etc, well, don’t judge it yet! Wait until it is up!
All I'm saying is that this development could have been done better, and it’s a missed opportunity.
From a actual development perspective I think that what is proposed is the best. The mixed use project has retail running all along High st. Retail is the biggest thing lacking from really creating a good downtown experience. Putting the park along High st. takes away valuable frontage on the more heavier trafficked street.
No developer is their right mind is going to put a park on High st. and retail on Rich st. which is why they did what they did. Not to mention you need views for the apartments. So you would have only been able to run the apartments along Rich st. as the other buildings would have units staring into the walls of the Ohio Theater.Parks are destinations. People don't drive down a street and say "Oh wow, I never new there was a park here, let me stop in and grab some leaves".
The best scenario would be for developers to do the same along both sides of High st. and build up enough of a critical mass to support better retail.
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Stephen43215
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If the developer uses the right kind of material it could turn out to be an ok project. I remember when Neighborhood Launch was starting to build their first phase and everyone was very skeptical of it...look how it is turning out. Now if they use material comparable to what the Annex used its probably going to look a bit cheap in my opinion.
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Walker
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Coremodels said:
Yep, not a ton of it on C/U necessarily, but like 50% of the calls to 610 WTVN were to complain about tearing down City Center for months.There was plenty of complaining about it on CU too. A lot of people (myself included at one point) thought that the old ugly building could be repurposed into something better. And perhaps it could have, but I think the demo-park-develop plan has worked out pretty well thus far.
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